Towing sag

dieselfan1 · August 26, 2020

7 hours ago, flyingfool said:

cheapest route is to shif some weight to the rear of trailer, and add 2-3" higher hitch.. i never used weight distribution hitch. too much hassle and $$$. if you really want a quick lift one can try a set of cheap air shocks too. but the key is Weight "BALANCE"

You don't tow much I take it. You need the tongue weight to be around 13% of the trailer weight. That's the sweet spot for a TT. So putting more weight in the rear isn't the best idea. Unless you know you are way tongue heavy. A travel trailer is the most beastly thing to tow IMO. Especially in the wind 25-30 mph. A lot of surface area on the sides and 10 feet tall.

You ever had one wag the dog and you'll know what I'm talking about.

Boats are gravy train to tow. So are flatbeds.

A WDH for Travel Trailers is common practice. Not using one is dumb.

The O.P. never mentioned he was worried about $ did he?

flyingfool · August 27, 2020

1 hour ago, dieselfan1 said:

You don't tow much I take it. You need the tongue weight to be around 13% of the trailer weight. That's the sweet spot for a TT. So putting more weight in the rear isn't the best idea. Unless you know you are way tongue heavy. A travel trailer is the most beastly thing to tow IMO. Especially in the wind 25-30 mph. A lot of surface area on the sides and 10 feet tall.

You ever had one wag the dog and you'll know what I'm talking about.

Boats are gravy train to tow. So are flatbeds.

A WDH for Travel Trailers is common practice. Not using one is dumb.

The O.P. never mentioned he was worried about $ did he?

I've towed more than most people on here 3 times a week 25 miles a day for 5 years with my old trusty 1990 Suburban hauling a cargo trailer loaded to 8500lbs. never had a need for WDH, I do recommend people buy a cheap trailer tonge weight scale if you do long distance traveling Balance is important! . If you keep the rig at 55/60mph your Safe, wagging the dog issues do creep up when the hitch is very light causing lifting of the rear end.. just dont hauling ass at 75-85 mph , in windy areas, and wooped out roads , you will get into issues for sure.

K2 1500 trucks have stiffer rear leafs than previous models so stability has improved on these trucks compared to older generations. i would rather put the money into a rear sway bar instead of WDH

Edited August 27, 2020 by flyingfool

sldhead700 · August 27, 2020

I've towed more than most people on here 3 times a week 25 miles a day for 5 years with my old trusty 1990 Suburban hauling a cargo trailer loaded to 8500lbs. never had a need for WDH, I do recommend people buy a cheap trailer tonge weight scale if you do long distance traveling Balance is important! . If you keep the rig at 55/60mph your Safe, wagging the dog issues do creep up when the hitch is very light causing lifting of the rear end.. just dont hauling ass at 75-85 mph , in windy areas, and wooped out roads , you will get into issues for sure.
K2 1500 trucks have stiffer rear leafs than previous models so stability has improved on these trucks compared to older generations. i would rather put the money into a rear sway bar instead of WDH

Sorry, I disagree with you........
I tow several hundred miles when I tow, ( not just 25 to run to Menards or wherever lol)
My driving is a lot of 75+ mph towing too.
So I'll keep my weight distribution hitch, along with having the proper weight spread across all of my axels (vehicle and trailer) and not just trying to " balance the trailer" thank you.
What you are doing with a cargo trailer( short trips and slow speed)
I don't even considered that towing...
Anyone can have an "unbalanced trailer" and get away with it for short distances and slow speeds.....
I have also seen people that have their loads very poorly tied down too( bouncing around on the trailer), that seem to get lucky by not having it completely fall off.... Some people are just lucky!

Over 30 years towing much bigger trailers and heavier loads and faster speeds.

Please be safe

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flyingfool · August 27, 2020

i've also towed 200-300 mile runs in a day. at 65mph. no issues whatsoever on those long hauls. no fancy wdh needed

Edited August 27, 2020 by flyingfool

Roscopcoletrain · August 27, 2020

a wdh isnt anything fancy. It should be standard equipment with RV towing. Makes it safer for everyone on the highway.

Jglew82 · August 27, 2020

Sorry, I disagree with you........
I tow several hundred miles when I tow, ( not just 25 to run to Menards or wherever lol)
My driving is a lot of 75+ mph towing too.
So I'll keep my weight distribution hitch, along with having the proper weight spread across all of my axels (vehicle and trailer) and not just trying to " balance the trailer" thank you.
What you are doing with a cargo trailer( short trips and slow speed)
I don't even considered that towing...
Anyone can have an "unbalanced trailer" and get away with it for short distances and slow speeds.....
I have also seen people that have their loads very poorly tied down too( bouncing around on the trailer), that seem to get lucky by not having it completely fall off.... Some people are just lucky!

Over 30 years towing much bigger trailers and heavier loads and faster speeds.

Please be safe

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Agreed here, distributing the load across the axles is key, and shifting weight to the rear of the trailer for the sole purpose of removing sag is a recipe for ditch-ville. That’s why when we pull double/triples the lightest trailer goes in the back.

flyingfool · August 27, 2020

1 hour ago, Jglew82 said:

Agreed here, distributing the load across the axles is key, and shifting weight to the rear of the trailer for the sole purpose of removing sag is a recipe for ditch-ville. That’s why when we pull double/triples the lightest trailer goes in the back.

yes, your right.. but overly loaded hitch is usually the problem with novice tow'rs and rv's. take the toy hauler. , and its full of stuff in the front bathroom area, throw on 2 full LPG tanks, two deep cycle batteries on the hitch area. full tank of water and i'm almost certain the trailer is nose heavy

slide187 · August 28, 2020

If you’re that concerned about/wanna know your tongue weight at any given moment, pick up one of these bad boys from weigh-safe.com they’re the bomb-diggitty.

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flyingfool · August 29, 2020

i'de rather buy that hitch scale than a WDH, much less stuff to deal with and you know your numbers are where you want them

slide187 · August 29, 2020

Correct, it is an excellent on-demand type of info tool, but at the same time i'm not sure its an either/or thing, but this is definitely a good tool to help you balance the load and know your tongue weight. and if you're not towing heavy enough to need a WDH this helps with that. It will also tell you if balancing what you are towing is just str8 up too heavy for your truck to handle w/o a WDH.

e.g. I use this hitch to tow my utility trailer when i pick up any construction materials or carry my ATV (i'm too old to drive it up into the truck bed, and it doesn't fit in this truck anyways). my ATV is only 830-ish lbs so it doesn't even register on the scale, but the 8" drop is low enough that the trailer rides pretty level.

I ALSO use this hitch when i borrow my friend's 5000lb capacity hydraulic Dump trailer to pick up sand/gravel etc. for that rig i need the 2-5/16 ball it comes with and only a 2" drop. but it helped me know when to push gravel to the front or the back of the trailer, AND most importantly when to just take a bucket back out of the trailer cuz i was over weight.

my on the road while towing control etc comes from my Roadmaster Active Suspension that i installed, which prevents pogo-ing, axle-wrap, sag and body roll. Add to that that i don't think i'll ever tow something big/tall/long enough to need a WDH so i'm set up the way i need to be. but for serious big stuff towing i would def consider a WDH. That is just me, i'm an engineer so i tend to go a little overboard with stuff on the safety side, but again WDH's as i understand them are above my level of towing, but i think their application when they are needed is not really circumventable. #iinventedthatword

Epsilon Plus · September 3, 2020

I towed my 6350 empty TT home on a regular ball and my truck was sagging and swaying all over the place on flat freeways.

At home I installed and set up the E2 Trunnion WDH (https://www.fastwaytrailer.com/e2-hitch) and the truck is practically dead level (2" BDS level in the front) and the towing has way more control. A little bit of porpoising, but that's to be expected.

Even GM tells you that beyond a 800lb tongue a WDH is required to max at 1200lbs on the hitch.

I wouldn't dream of towing something this large without one now. Those commercials that say Colorados, Rangers and Jeep Gladiators can tow 7,000lbs crack me up. What, in a straight line, flat, for 5 mins before catching fire? I live in AZ but my trailer heats my truck up like 5 big girls humping in a Ford Focus. I couldn't imagine having 7k pushing me down a big grade in a midsize truck when it kicks this trucks ass that supposedly can handle 9100lbs.

Edited September 3, 2020 by Epsilon Plus

flyingfool · September 3, 2020

i think if you got 800-1200 lbs on your hitch, it's time to sell your trailer and by a 5th wheel..

midwestdenaliguy · September 3, 2020

On 8/27/2020 at 8:42 PM, slide187 said:

If you’re that concerned about/wanna know your tongue weight at any given moment, pick up one of these bad boys from weigh-safe.com they’re the bomb-diggitty.

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I've got the same hitch, one of the better purchases I've made for the truck! Quality is amazing, you pay for it but it's worth every penny.