Who wants a diesel Canyon or Colorado - GM adds the codes

[Doug_Scott]

The extra cost will be the major deciding point. Asking for an additional $5k+ would kill it for any fence sitters. The high option cost for the diesels are the limiting factors for sales in the full size market.

 

What is the expected cost of rebuilding injector pump on the small diesel? What mileage range before you can come to expect the pump replair?

[Victor Ferreira]

There's one thing that must be noted: unlike with the huge Duramax V8, the CTDI offers amazing fuel economy. The diesel S10 is rated at something like 35 mpg hwy (with crappy Brazilian diesel and 4x4) which I assume will be close to the Colorado. This will be the main selling point, along with trailering capacity.

[arz71]

Will it have manual transmission?

[Jsdirt]

Wonder what the REAL potential of this powerplant is, without all the EPA mandated crap bolted to it?

 

If GM had built this thing 10 years ago, I'd have bought one for a daily driver in a second. After seeing all the problems everyone from pickup to semi-tractor owners are dealing with, directly due to emissions crap, I'm all set. Hopefully GM (or somebody ... ) will eventually figure out how to keep them powerful AND reliable, and still keep the EPA environazi goons happy. Way too much money for me to be a guinea pig on this one. The Ford 6.4 comes to mind. Think of the hundreds of thousands of dollars companies and consumers lost on that boondoggle. Imagine having to sink 10 LARGE into a vehicle that your not even done paying for ...

[MikeInCtown]

A full sized truck with a v6 is the compete opposite of a mid sized truck with a diesel. I would assume the demand for a mid sized diesel is for higher tow capacity with the added torque.

I was actually thinking avout a v6 diesel in the full size, not a V6 gasoline engine. i wasn't very clear.

 

At one point GM was trying to do a 4.something diesel engine then walked away. Complete stupidity because they would have sold tons.

[snapring6r]

As a class 8 truck mechanic and as wonderful as this little duramax may sound to some of you, the government is going to have their hands all over it with all the emission garbage as they do now. Just a thought to keep in mind.

[nadrojcote]

I don't know how Toyota even sells the Taco. It's horribly outdated. And Toyota quality is a myth, I owned a 2008 Tacoma and that'll likely be my last.

This is because the Tacoma is made in North America. If you look at the 4Runner which is still made in Japan you will notice it has barely any recalls/TSB's. In fact Automd had 1 recall and 1 TSB listed for the 2014 4runner while the 2014 sierra has 28 TSB's and 18 recalls.

 

They 2014 Tacoma has 0 TSB's and 4 recalls. Mind you it is its 10th year so you would assume they have worked out the kinks.

[MikeNH]

TSBs aren't an indication of quality. Same for point of assembly. Don't be one of the people who buys into the BS of Japanese brand superiority. It doesn't exist.

[nadrojcote]

TSB's are indicative of issues that have been identified with a vehicle. I'm not buying into anything. I'm just going by the numbers.

 

Here's some more proof if you need it.

 

http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/2015-vehicle-dependability-study

 

http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/2014-us-initial-quality-study-iqs

[Cowpie]

I have researched into the 4 cyl diesel that is going in the Colorado/Canyon. It is so remarkably similar to the 2.8L VM Motori diesel that Jeep put in the '05 and '06 Liberty that I can barely tell the difference. Except for a little higher rail pressure, a Honeywell VG turbo on the GM instead of the Garrett VG turbo on the VM, and a little higher hp and torque, they are essentially the same motor. Not surprising, as GM and Penske have had dealings with VM Motori for a lot of years. The VM motors were darn good and very reliable. I really liked the '06 Jeep Liberty diesel I had. My son got it from me a few years ago. If it is built, as it seems to be, like the VM, this GM little diesel will be a serious contender. The VM motor was designed with a B50 life of 300,000 miles, which means that less than 50% of the those motors would need rebuild before 300,000 miles.

 

If I had a need or desire for one of these smaller pickups, I would jump on the diesel version in a heartbeat.

[Doug_Scott]

Took a look at what the B10 and B50 numbers mean, and I don't think they cover the most common big expense to be feared. As I have posted before, expecting a customer to pay $4k to $6k after 100,000 miles to rebuild the injector pumps is just not right. I know a few commercial truckers and they say if they had to cover that a couple times a year it would be tough to make money. Are injector pump failures something that only impacts diesel vehicles that operate in 4 distinct seasons? One thing to note though, the VW car TDI(TDH) engines do not have the same issues.

[Chris]

I have researched into the 4 cyl diesel that is going in the Colorado/Canyon. It is so remarkably similar to the 2.8L VM Motori diesel that Jeep put in the '05 and '06 Liberty that I can barely tell the difference. Except for a little higher rail pressure, a Honeywell VG turbo on the GM instead of the Garrett VG turbo on the VM, and a little higher hp and torque, they are essentially the same motor. Not surprising, as GM and Penske have had dealings with VM Motori for a lot of years. The VM motors were darn good and very reliable. I really liked the '06 Jeep Liberty diesel I had. My son got it from me a few years ago. If it is built, as it seems to be, like the VM, this GM little diesel will be a serious contender. The VM motor was designed with a B50 life of 300,000 miles, which means that less than 50% of the those motors would need rebuild before 300,000 miles.

 

If I had a need or desire for one of these smaller pickups, I would jump on the diesel version in a heartbeat.

You are aware that Honeywell owns Garrett right?

[MikeNH]

Took a look at what the B10 and B50 numbers mean, and I don't think they cover the most common big expense to be feared. As I have posted before, expecting a customer to pay $4k to $6k after 100,000 miles to rebuild the injector pumps is just not right. I know a few commercial truckers and they say if they had to cover that a couple times a year it would be tough to make money. Are injector pump failures something that only impacts diesel vehicles that operate in 4 distinct seasons? One thing to note though, the VW car TDI(TDH) engines do not have the same issues.

I can't imagine that's right. If people were dropping that sorta cash at just 100k then no one would buy that junk motor.

[Jsdirt]

Everything seems failure prone these days. Installed some custom mirrors for a guy that I bought off Dennis Kirk - a month on the road, and the glass just falls out. One tiny squirt of soft squishy crap glue on the back ...

 

We used to build diesels that would run on a 3:1 mix of used motor oil to gasoline, and still run 800k miles hauling freight. Then the EPA & our government grew bigger ....

[Cowpie]

Nope, wasn't aware the Honeywell owned Garrett. That is would make the the similarity even tighter than I mentioned. Cool.