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f8l vnm Senior Enthusiast

f8l vnm

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Totally agreed on the rear vents. Absolute awful on GM part. Seriously. Genral morons. GM trucks are only one on the market without rear vents. Heck a work truck ford xl truck comes with vents. And don't give me floor vents garage.

Noticed in a recent magazine test they mentioned the GM trucks lack of rear amenities.

My buddy with his f150 has rear vents , cup holders in the back of the center console, heated rear seats and flat floor rear.

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Silverado Steve Senior Enthusiast

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On really hot days, I use remote start to give the AC a head start. I have both of my girls 7&5 visiting me for a month, no complaints at all from them on it being to hot in the back and trust me, they complain about a lot of things.

Boardmember Senior Enthusiast

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I also live where it's HOT. And HUMID. And pretty much unrelenting.

 

Had a business luncheon today and my truck had a rear seat passenger. Remote started it, we all got in, set AC on high fan - we all welcomed that - and shortly enough I was able to turn the fan speed a couple notches.

 

I didn't like that the truck didn't have vents, but honestly it hasn't been an issue.

 

For heat, the standard under seat vents will work fine. I've not considered whether they work in cooling mode. But will investigate just because...

 

Not an issue.

Dnt Senior Enthusiast

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Man after reading this thread I am really down about this not having rear vents thing. I have decided to just sell this thing. Who has 55k cash out there? I can no longer drive it without rear vents................... AND I am going to return the Deionized water unit that I ordered so that I could wash this rig without drying every time and not have water spots. I will find me a good bicycle and be happy, unless someone has an issue with the kind of bicycle that I choose? Then once again I will be completely devastated and be forced by the masses to assimilate and sell it LOL.

Donstar Senior Enthusiast

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Totally agreed on the rear vents. Absolute awful on GM part. Seriously. Genral morons. GM trucks are only one on the market without rear vents. Heck a work truck ford xl truck comes with vents. And don't give me floor vents garage.

Noticed in a recent magazine test they mentioned the GM trucks lack of rear amenities.

My buddy with his f150 has rear vents , cup holders in the back of the center console, heated rear seats and flat floor rear.

I guess maybe I'm considered a "moron" for speaking the "garage". I believe the people responsible at GM are no less intelligent than those at Ford. Their trucks appeal to different tastes. I personally like both products but have preferred GM product designs for my past few pickup trucks.

GMC-AT Senior Enthusiast

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  1. LED Headlamps---are these a little too bright? I've heard people say that the 2016+ LEDs are crazy bright and irritate oncoming traffic.

     

​Seriously? lol ... poor GM can't win... first the entire world bitc$es about the awful headlights in the 2014-2015 ... now they are too bright in the 2016? lol..

 

 

BTW.. I have the 2016 with LED's .. they are awesome.

 

Oldbay Enthusiast

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  1. LED Headlamps---are these a little too bright? I've heard people say that the 2016+ LEDs are crazy bright and irritate oncoming traffic.

​Seriously? lol ... poor GM can't win... first the entire world bitc$es about the awful headlights in the 2014-2015 ... now they are too bright in the 2016? lol..

 

BTW.. I have the 2016 with LED's .. they are awesome.

 

 

 

Awesome! I am certainly hoping so.

 

I'm probably really overthinking this:-)

redwngr Senior Enthusiast

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  1. LED Headlamps---are these a little too bright? I've heard people say that the 2016+ LEDs are crazy bright and irritate oncoming traffic.

​Seriously? lol ... poor GM can't win... first the entire world bitc$es about the awful headlights in the 2014-2015 ... now they are too bright in the 2016? lol..

 

BTW.. I have the 2016 with LED's .. they are awesome.

 

I agree -- the LED's on this 2016 SLT are great!

Thomcat Senior Enthusiast

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You obviously don't know how a big profit seeking corporation works. I am sure it is always convenient to blame "an engineer".

 

As an engineer myself (30 years of experience --- not in the auto, but in aerospace industry), just how many of the decisions you cite above do you actually think are at the hand of "an engineer"?????

 

Trust me, GM has very bright engineers that could provide the best rear seat vents in the industry. They also have bright engineers that could put two ventilated bucket seats on a small motorcycle and make them work flawlessly.

 

Somewhere in the management chain are decision makers that are looking at GM's production cost for a vehicle down to the $#%$ing penny.

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The same engineers that design a Chevy could be easily interchanged with those who design a Maserati. Once it leaves the hands of engineers in R&D it gets pecked apart by production people who want changes to speed up assembly, management who wants to maximize investor payout, minimize payroll, utilize existing equipment and meet requirements of Federal regulations as cheap as possible, accountants who dictate expenditure limits, and worst - designers who get the final word caring more about appearance than function. The bottom line is bucks, and satisfaction is proportional to what you can afford and are willing to pay.

1300c Enthusiast

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  • LED Headlamps---are these a little too bright? I've heard people say that the 2016+ LEDs are crazy bright and irritate oncoming traffic.
​Seriously? lol ... poor GM can't win... first the entire world bitc$es about the awful headlights in the 2014-2015 ... now they are too bright in the 2016? lol..

 

BTW.. I have the 2016 with LED's .. they are awesome.

Yeah they are awesome. Granted I've ticked quite a few people off with them when they think I'm high beaming them (this thing does light up interstate signs on low) until I show them my high beam then they leave me alone.

f8l vnm Senior Enthusiast

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Love the led lights on my 16 , zero issues Witt that.

kp52 Enthusiast

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Yeah they are awesome. Granted I've ticked quite a few people off with them when they think I'm high beaming them (this thing does light up interstate signs on low) until I show them my high beam then they leave me alone.

 

The LEDs are bright no doubt, but I'm not lighting up interstate signs on low beam. The cutoff is a little low as-delivered IMO but if I have some weight in the back I dont want to blind people so I just leave it. I find using high beams on winding/hilly pitch black a necessity because of the sharp cutoff, same with most other cars/trucks with projectors/ factory HIDs I have owned. Honestly the lights on my old '15 Silverado (non projector) were better for the roads I drive, not as bright but a gradual and higher bleedoff of the beam was better for me.

 

Cant make everyone happy :)

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The LEDs are bright no doubt, but I'm not lighting up interstate signs on low beam. The cutoff is a little low as-delivered IMO but if I have some weight in the back I dont want to blind people so I just leave it. I find using high beams on winding/hilly pitch black a necessity because of the sharp cutoff, same with most other cars/trucks with projectors/ factory HIDs I have owned. Honestly the lights on my old '15 Silverado (non projector) were better for the roads I drive, not as bright but a gradual and higher bleedoff of the beam was better for me.

 

Cant make everyone happy :)

Yeah when I'm on the interstate there is about a 1/4 of the bottom of the signs lit up on the side of the road. I've noticed the same around the new Escalade's with led headlights too. Mostly blue flicker than anything. My truck is stock. I think I may adjust them down 1 turn and see how that affects my vision if I continue to tick people off. I live in the boonies, and I can definitely see the deer better now which is nice.

Oldbay Enthusiast

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I think headlamps are getting brighter and brighter. I think this is a good idea overall. But, it takes some adjusting for other people out there.

 

When mine comes in I'll take it out at night and check it out to see if they need to be dialed-down.

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WMims New Member

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You obviously don't know how a big profit seeking corporation works. I am sure it is always convenient to blame "an engineer".

 

As an engineer myself (30 years of experience --- not in the auto, but in aerospace industry), just how many of the decisions you cite above do you actually think are at the hand of "an engineer"?????

 

Trust me, GM has very bright engineers that could provide the best rear seat vents in the industry. They also have bright engineers that could put two ventilated bucket seats on a small motorcycle and make them work flawlessly.

 

Somewhere in the management chain are decision makers that are looking at GM's production cost for a vehicle down to the $#%$ing penny. I would bet a senior level accountant somewhere decided that adding rear vents in a truck would add $12 of production cost to the vehicle when factoring in the hundreds of thousands of units that are to be sold. Take $12 and multiply by x hundred thousand and you come up with the 0.5% increase in profits GM realizes by omitting them---all the mean time with the executives putting their arms in a in a sling patting themselves on the back.

 

As far as ventilated seats go , they cost (more) money too. I am almost certain that an accountant somewhere figured out that people realllly want those, but need to be "forced" to buy the "premium equipped" version (translation, the most profitable trim level) to get them.

 

I can not tell you how many times in my career I, myself, and others like me, have fought, pleaded and argued for the right TECHNICAL solution only to get shot down by a snot nosed so-called "business-leader" who decided that 0.1% more profit was more important than doing the technically correct thing.

 

Engineers are scientists, not business people. You got a technical problem, an engineer can tell you the best technical solution. It is not left up to the folks that know the most, technically, to bring that solution to market. Sad part is, it is often a clown with a business suit that has no clue how that product actually works, from a technical detail leve,l that makes that final decision.

 

Your points are well taken, but place the blame where it belongs. It's usually the engineers that are fighting for YOU, and the accountants that have the final say.

 

I'd like to know how many time the engineers there came up with the RIGHT solution, and an accountant comes back and says "find me 30% savings in your solution, or it's gone".

 

Sorry, your blame is mis-placed.

Don't fret over ventilated seats. When you use the front seat A/C ventilation, it blows hot air out the back seat. Seems like the only time we have passengers in the back is when it's 90+ degrees. Would love for an engineer to explain this...

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