OCI, not when but why?

[VicFirth]

Red Line 5w20

Noack 4%

HT/HS 3.1

 

[KARNUT]

I read an article recently about the 10 worst oil filters. I expect Fram to be on it but Wix, Redline, about that time I stopped. It was like watching the news. Pick your channel you will get what you want. The truth well that doesn’t matter.

[customboss]

8 minutes ago, KARNUT said:

I read an article recently about the 10 worst oil filters. I expect Fram to be on it but Wix, Redline, about that time I stopped. It was like watching the news. Pick your channel you will get what you want. The truth well that doesn’t matter.

I haven’t found a bad oil filter except WIX that had metal shavings in them about 1995 and it was corrected quick. I think about any oil filter is fine if it meets specs for OEM. For me cheaper the better. 

[KARNUT]

3 minutes ago, customboss said:

I haven’t found a bad oil filter except WIX that had metal shavings in them about 1995 and it was corrected quick. I think about any oil filter is fine if it meets specs for OEM. For me cheaper the better. 

That’s funny in my own oil changing days if I didn’t use Amsoil filters it was Wix. Now I just go to the Valvoline quick change and more often. 

[customboss]

7 hours ago, KARNUT said:

That’s funny in my own oil changing days if I didn’t use Amsoil filters it was Wix. Now I just go to the Valvoline quick change and more often. 

Wix issue was just one off but it ruined a few 5.9L Cummins engines in Dodge trucks. 

[KARNUT]

22 minutes ago, customboss said:

Wix issue was just one off but it ruined a few 5.9L Cummins engines in Dodge trucks. 

I used Amsoil in my 5.9

[Grumpy Bear]

9 hours ago, VicFirth said:

Red Line 5w20

Noack 4%

HT/HS 3.1

 

 

HTHS of this oil EXCEEDS *W30 specs !!!  

 

What I used to run in my Honda's. 7.5K OCI's. It's also the oil I ran in Pepper the summer I got 30 mpg all summer. IF I owned a 5.3/6.2 AND was interested in running a W20 this would be the one. But as I have zero IF's or AND's......

 

Hey @VicFirth, can you find a VOA for Schaeffer's Supreme 9000 5W30?? Something with oxidation?  

Edited March 21, 2024 by Grumpy Bear

[VicFirth]

10 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

HTHS of this oil EXCEEDS *W30 specs !!!  

 

What I used to run in my Honda's. 7.5K OCI's. It's also the oil I ran in Pepper the summer I got 30 mpg all summer. IF I owned a 5.3/6.2 AND was interested in running a W20 this would be the one. But as I have zero IF's or AND's......

 

Hey @VicFirth, can you find a VOA for Schaeffer's Supreme 9000 5W30?? Something with oxidation?  

 

Grumpy, I was looking at some UOAs on the Russian Oil Club site.  They seem to claim that because Red Line contains a significant ester base, it turns acidic quickly with TBN falling and TAN rising.  Do you think there is any truth to that?  Also, what about engine seal compatibility?

 

I recently found this out about Red Line for what it's worth:

 

"Oh if you think Amsoils Lab is something... you should see P66's R&D Center in Bartlesville OK. P66's lab is huge.

Previous to P66 owning Redline, a company named Spectrum, who was an additive manufacturing company, owned Redline. P66 ended up buying them for a bunch of other assets.

The API approved Redline series is simply Kendall re-bottled. But yes, I still have faith in redline's claims. Knowing they do a lot of testing at P66's lab for years now. And previous to that, Spectrum had their own additive testing lab and engine test stands. But, you can also go directly to the additive manufacturer and have them run testing. Afton will run engine stand testing. It's just expensive - due to the low volume of the product, its why the product is so expensive."

[VicFirth]

Schaeffer VOA show oxidation levels at 10 or under.  I could only locate (1) VOA and it was Supreme 9000 series which had a virgin oxidation of 9. 

[VicFirth]

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[Grumpy Bear]

1 hour ago, VicFirth said:

 

Grumpy, I was looking at some UOAs on the Russian Oil Club site.  They seem to claim that because Red Line contains a significant ester base, it turns acidic quickly with TBN falling and TAN rising.  Do you think there is any truth to that?  Also, what about engine seal compatibility?

 

I recently found this out about Red Line for what it's worth:

 

"Oh if you think Amsoils Lab is something... you should see P66's R&D Center in Bartlesville OK. P66's lab is huge.

Previous to P66 owning Redline, a company named Spectrum, who was an additive manufacturing company, owned Redline. P66 ended up buying them for a bunch of other assets.

The API approved Redline series is simply Kendall re-bottled. But yes, I still have faith in redline's claims. Knowing they do a lot of testing at P66's lab for years now. And previous to that, Spectrum had their own additive testing lab and engine test stands. But, you can also go directly to the additive manufacturer and have them run testing. Afton will run engine stand testing. It's just expensive - due to the low volume of the product, its why the product is so expensive."

 

 

What am I going to do with you Vic? I've run this product in select vehicles in my charge for over 25 years and perhaps a million miles between them all. Not a single seal failure. Never ASH loaded a ring set yet. Doesn't make your hair fall out or give your dog shingles. I've run the 5W20 in Honda's to 7.5K miles without crossing the TBN/TAN. Yes it has a high INITIAL AN. All ester bearing oils do. It backs up a bit before heading up again. A quirk of the ester family in this service. 

 

I don't use Red Lines base series and never looked into it. Kendall? Okay, I have no reason be believe other. 

 

 

 

 

[VicFirth]

5 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

 

What am I going to do with you Vic? I've run this product in select vehicles in my charge for over 25 years and perhaps a million miles between them all. Not a single seal failure. Never ASH loaded a ring set yet. Doesn't make your hair fall out or give your dog shingles. I've run the 5W20 in Honda's to 7.5K miles without crossing the TBN/TAN. Yes it has a high INITIAL AN. All ester bearing oils do. It backs up a bit before heading up again. A quirk of the ester family in this service. 

 

I don't use Red Lines base series and never looked into it. Kendall? Okay, I have no reason be believe other. 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe you LOL. 

[OnTheReel]

1 hour ago, VicFirth said:

Schaeffer VOA show oxidation levels at 10 or under.  I could only locate (1) VOA and it was Supreme 9000 series which had a virgin oxidation of 9. 

Interesting. I was looking into the 0w40 version and it appears to be majority PAO based on the SDS. Must be using something other than an ester alongside it. AN seems doubtful but I dunno.

[diyer2]

Real happy with Amsoil products, no need for anything else.

[VicFirth]

1 minute ago, diyer2 said:

Real happy with Amsoil products, no need for anything else.

 

Despite many of their annoying dealers, they make top notch oil.  The oxidation readings for Amsoil are in the 50-65 range.  So they're using substantial V.