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Firearms owners....Be sure to know your gun friendly States!

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StinkyCheese Senior Enthusiast

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Touchy subject for sure. This is why i wish there was one set of federal issued handgun laws. Not state by state. Make it easier to travel.

 

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There is it's called The Constitution, the feds messed it up, so why give them even more control over our rights? The feds have no business regulating firearms or 99% of the other things/issues they regulate.

 

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BlackZ71Silverado Senior Enthusiast

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Yea I would think if you are out of state how can you know all the laws.

 

In this woman's specific case, she should have been well aware of the law. Not that I agree that she should be charged, I think it's ridiculous and the use of officer discretion should have been a no brainer here BUT.........in Pennsylvania when you are issued a License To Carry A Firearm, you are also given paperwork. In that paperwork you will find a list of States that honor your firearms license and those that do not. You are also given all legal provisions pertaining to the city of Philadelphia it's a whole different world there when it comes to firearms.

If she would have taken the time to do what was required of her and read her paperwork, this could have been prevented.

MikeNH Senior Enthusiast

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She can and will be expected to know the gun laws of every state. Before I travel I do exactly that. Anyone with a functioning brain knows Jersey and NY are anti states that you in no circumstances want to be in possession of a gun in.

RyanbabZ71 Senior Enthusiast

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I agree but to have 50 different laws is crazy we are 1 country. Guess this is why I rarely travel out of indiana :)

 

 

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StinkyCheese Senior Enthusiast

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Why not? It's the same thing with drivers licenses, the states decided to allow other states' residents to drive in their state. It's the same thing with guns. nj and a few other states rarely trust their own citizens with guns so why would they allow a nonresident? You are responsible for knowing the laws when you travel. I check the laws before I travel. Florida you don't have to identify, but when in Texas I have to. Florida's ccw covers weapons, some states only firearms. Also in Florida we can carry as many as we can conceal, others only 1. Heck some states (or at least they did) made the distinction between semi auto carry and carrying a revolver which meant if you wanted to carry both you'd have to qualify with both.

 

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MikeNH Senior Enthusiast

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I agree but to have 50 different laws is crazy we are 1 country. Guess this is why I rarely travel out of indiana :)

 

 

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More than that. Some states allow what's called home rule. Basically means a city/town can set stricter standards. For example, NY has crazy gun laws. NYC is even worse. I'd like to see universal reciprocity of carry permits but I never will support a national permit, it would be sooooo watered down with restrictions it wouldn't be worth it. My Michigan CPL is good in 40 states, I'll live with that.

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If you have a concealed permit it will show up when they run your D/L. Then they REALLY start asking questions. Just too bad she erred and has ended up costing her. The Barney Fifes in some of the small burgs really scare me though. Some are newbies and some have been *re-assigned* (not all, but some).

MikeNH Senior Enthusiast

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Not true. Out of state can't tell if you have a carry permit. In state they usually can tell but if I were stopped in NH with my Michigan permit they wouldn't know unless I told them.

StinkyCheese Senior Enthusiast

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If you have a concealed permit it will show up when they run your D/L. Then they REALLY start asking questions. Just too bad she erred and has ended up costing her. The Barney Fifes in some of the small burgs really scare me though. Some are newbies and some have been *re-assigned* (not all, but some).

Florida permits don't even show up for police in Florida if I remember correctly, which means there's no way that another state's officer will know about it.

 

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BlackZ71Silverado Senior Enthusiast

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If you have a concealed permit it will show up when they run your D/L.

 

Not sure where you came up with that but it's nonsense and does not and can not happen. When you get either a firearms license or permit depending on which your state issues, that information is NOT stored in a national database such as NCIC. That information can ONLY turn up if requested through you issuing state's database if the Sheriff's office information is easily accessible during normal business hours (in most cases).

 

Your drivers license is issued to you through your state of residence. Your firearms license/permit is issued on the county level through your local Sheriff's office. A DL check will only give the current status of your license, that's all. If an officer wants to check something as simple as a warrant, that's another check that needs to be requested separately.

 

Most state DMV's have a hard enough time with DL issue and keeping current, up to date records. Imagine if they had to have their information and records cross referenced with up to almost 100 Sheriff's departments in some states to have firearms carry information added to your DL status, it would be a mess.

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Well, it happened to me in OR with my Idaho drivers license, so answer that one (no infraction, just a Barney Fife wondering what I was doing going up a dead end canyon at 11pm). Also, guess what geniuses? In Idaho your CCW permit number is the SAME number as your drivers license.

I should have justified my comment above by adding a comment regarding Idaho to begin with.

Sorry to get everybody's panties in a wad :happysad:

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Spurshot Senior Enthusiast

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Some CA jurisdictions started issueing CCWs. Since they can no longer make you "justify" the need for a CCW, I'm guessing you have to provide a stool sample or something now. I'll find out more in a few months. The guy I'm training at work has applied and received an interview date.

StinkyCheese Senior Enthusiast

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Not sure where you came up with that but it's nonsense and does not and can not happen. When you get either a firearms license or permit depending on which your state issues, that information is NOT stored in a national database such as NCIC. That information can ONLY turn up if requested through you issuing state's database if the Sheriff's office information is easily accessible during normal business hours (in most cases).

 

Your drivers license is issued to you through your state of residence. Your firearms license/permit is issued on the county level through your local Sheriff's office. A DL check will only give the current status of your license, that's all. If an officer wants to check something as simple as a warrant, that's another check that needs to be requested separately.

 

Most state DMV's have a hard enough time with DL issue and keeping current, up to date records. Imagine if they had to have their information and records cross referenced with up to almost 100 Sheriff's departments in some states to have firearms carry information added to your DL status, it would be a mess.

 

Unless you live in Florida where ours are issued by the state and not the county yet still do not show up. We have laws preventing random people/media/politicians from gaining access to permit holder info. Actually we have laws to prevent the state from raiding the CCW funds too lol.

 

Well, it happened to me in OR with my Idaho drivers license, so answer that one (no infraction, just a Barney Fife wondering what I was doing going up a dead end canyon at 11pm). Also, guess what geniuses? In Idaho your CCW permit number is the SAME number as your drivers license.

I should have justified my comment above by adding a comment regarding Idaho to begin with.

Sorry to get everybody's panties in a wad :happysad:

 

More of a privacy concern for a lot of carriers. The media is so intent on finding and outting carriers that we tend to do a little research on the topic. Obviously every state is different and yeah specifying the spud state probably would have cut down on a post or two.

Some CA jurisdictions started issueing CCWs. Since they can no longer make you "justify" the need for a CCW, I'm guessing you have to provide a stool sample or something now. I'll find out more in a few months. The guy I'm training at work has applied and received an interview date.

 

Good luck!

KMGZ400 Senior Enthusiast

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If you have a concealed permit it will show up when they run your D/L. Then they REALLY start asking questions. Just too bad she erred and has ended up costing her. The Barney Fifes in some of the small burgs really scare me though. Some are newbies and some have been *re-assigned* (not all, but some).

I have my CCW and have been pulled over 3 times, twice by state trooper once by local and the cops didn't mention once about my CCW, I didn't say anything because I didn't have a weapon in my car.

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