Anyone else think about trading for 19 ram?

[parshal]

My buddy got a real good deal on a 19 Ram.  He’s had ford and GM, too.   He’s getting fantastic mileage.  His last one was a 3/4 ton Ram and we drove from Colorado to Nevada and off-road bunting chukars.  The truck drove great and he never had issues.  He loves the new model except that he can’t get a topper yet.  But, the 19 GMC toppers are even further out.

 

i had an 03 Ram diesel and it was a good truck but would rattle your teeth on any bumps. But, my new 18 Sierra 1500 is darned close to that, too.  The quality on the Rams has come way up.  As said above, don’t believe the haters. If you like the styling and options and the price is right, buy any of them.

[Sierra Dan]

Many 2019 RAM trucks around here in KC are being discounted $11,500 !

GM had better follow soon with more than 4-6k discounts on the 2019's 

[crushNchowda]

I looked at them again before I paid my '15 Sierra SLT 6.2 off. I have been a GM loyalist all my life....but after 2x2014 GMC sierras & my current '15 I will be forever skeptical of GM's quality/reliability/craftsmanship/service - NOW, don't get me wrong, EVERY vehicle can have its share of issues, but I had always put GM @ the top of the platform for domestic quality/reliability, & for a while thought they were eclipsing the German luxury brands in that department, now I simply no longer trust them. 

From a purely business standpoint, its the opposite. I'm long GM stock. Why? They took a bailout @ low interest, did a 1/2 ass no doubt low cost refresh w/ their K2xxx truck platform & get it built in Mexico w/ cheap labor. Rush to get them out, knowing full well within a year or so of release they were about to get eclipsed by both Ford & Dodge in the "latest & greatest" race. They put these trucks out anyhow, knowing the quality was suspect, knowing they would be outdated almost immediately, knowing they were only a partial redesign & knowing they would make small changes adding $$$$ to the bottom line without really putting any effort into actually redesigning the thing (hence off centered wheel, column shift, ignition key from a 1987 caprice, no diesel option, shit tranny #1 followed by clunkmaster #2 KNOWING 100000000000% both SUCK & that they were in a full out redesign w/ Ford on a 10 speed. We all bent over & said "please GM may I have another"

 

Not again....at least not for me.

 

I'll wait on these Rams too - see what kind of issues consistently come up and/or which get resolved over the next model year or so. You'd have a REAL tough time convincing me their product is any WORSE than GM.....and this may sound bad, but I feel like GM KNOWINGLY puts out some crappy products but alot of times Dodge just screws up, knows they do alot, & prices their stuff accordingly...in terms of general manufacturing prowess GM > Dodge for sure, & thats what makes it even worse.

 

Question, how many times has my $60k brand new 2015 model year truck left me stranded? Answer - 2 times in 55k miles.

 

How many times has my paid for & then some, H/C/I '03 Z06 that gets the snot kicked outta it every weekend & has no spare has left me stranded in 8 years? ZERO.

 

Long story short, I think the Rams are worth a very hard look if you're not happy w/ GM products.

 

IF that doesn't tell you where GM quality has gone not sure what else does. Whoever was in the R&D dept. or on the assembly line in Bowling Green back in '02 actually gave a shit about what they were manufacturing when it came to my C5Z. Today? Not so much.

[L86 All Terrain]

I would consider it, these K2's are the most problematic and unreliable truck GM has put out in their history of building trucks. My 2010 1500 and subsequent HD's from the last generation are 10 times more reliable, never touched the 2010 in 5 years. My 2014 shakes and the trans locks itself into 2nd gear sometimes and wont unlock without a tuner, my 2015 had never ending trans issues until the delayed reverse shift, just got it back after 3 weeks at the dealer, they put a reman trans in under warranty on a like new truck with 23,000 miles on it. Shifts nice now, but reman transmissions under warranty, which runs out next year? Kind of a scary thought as it was $5,000CAD before labour. 

 

The new GM 2019's don't do it for me looks wise, the powertrain and chassis is essentially the same so I imagine the Chevy Shake will re-appear this time again, interior is essentially unchanged, price is jacked up another 10% for just a body refresh, which was 10% too high last generation. My 2010 SLT I paid 37k CAD, the 2015 SLT I paid 55K CAD a 48% increase for essentially the EXACT same truck with a sliding window and 6.2L added. 48% increase on my 2015 means I will have to pay $81,730 for a 2020 SLT. Personally, I cant afford it as my wage doesn't increase 48% per year and I almost walked away from the deal on my last one because it wasn't sweet enough.

 

With Ford and Dodge being the technology leaders, comfort and refinement leaders, and now the horsepower and torque leaders for at least the next 5 years as well as being much more affordable than a GM, it would be stupid not to look at them even if I am the world's biggest GM fanboy. Dodge to drop a blown 6.2L Hellcat motor in the Ram soon, and Ford rumored to be working on a 7.3L pushrod V8 for the Raptor and Platinum trucks. If Ford or Dodge tries to sell me a loaded truck making 550hp and GM wants the same price for their ugly looking problematic 420hp truck, I can tell you what I personally would do. As you can see by my signature, I am pretty loyal to GM, but these K2's have driven me to ask myself why that is. Maybe it's time for a change. 

[Hate Work]

On 9/11/2018 at 11:19 AM, Ltz73 said:

Buddy of mine owns a tow service company. He said hands down without question the overwhelming majority of broken down vehicles he deals with are Chrysler/ Dodge / Jeep products. Not saying GM is the answer either as he is a Ford guy. But he absolutely refuses to even consider ever owning anything built by Chrysler / Jeep / Dodge. 

Compound that with the reliability of the Ram (All Dodge), plus the fact that you would be lumped with all the other Dodge drivers who are ignorant on the road (only behind BMW drivers) and also, the front end still isn't right. No thanks. Ever since the 90's, I have chosen either a loaded Ford or  Chevy. Why? Overall long term value. That's why.

[Havvkeye]

4 hours ago, crushNchowda said:

Question, how many times has my $60k brand new 2015 model year truck left me stranded? Answer - 2 times in 55k miles.

 

How many times has my paid for & then some, H/C/I '03 Z06 that gets the snot kicked outta it every weekend & has no spare has left me stranded in 8 years? ZERO.

 

Long story short, I think the Rams are worth a very hard look if you're not happy w/ GM products.

 

IF that doesn't tell you where GM quality has gone not sure what else does. Whoever was in the R&D dept. or on the assembly line in Bowling Green back in '02 actually gave a shit about what they were manufacturing when it came to my C5Z. Today? Not so much.

MY '16 Sierra with 45k on the clock has never left me stranded or anything close.  No rattles, everything is holding together well so far.  

[seamus2154]

I think the Ram interior is really nice and GM dropped the ball again. Every-time I get in my Denali I can't believe how bad the seats are. But for the same reason I will never own a Porsche.....I will never own a Dodge......I just can't be part of that crowd. 

[Brianibew]

17 minutes ago, seamus2154 said:

I think the Ram interior is really nice and GM dropped the ball again. Every-time I get in my Denali I can't believe how bad the seats are. But for the same reason I will never own a Porsche.....I will never own a Dodge......I just can't be part of that crowd. 

4 years now GM has been using those piss poor seats.   The cloth seats are not terrible, but the leather seats feel like your sitting on plywood with seams sewn into places where they should not be.   I’m curious to how the 2019 seats feel...

[seamus2154]

37 minutes ago, Brianibew said:

4 years now GM has been using those piss poor seats.   The cloth seats are not terrible, but the leather seats feel like your sitting on plywood with seams sewn into places where they should not be.   I’m curious to how the 2019 seats feel...

They are horrible. I recently changed the back cushion to the cloth seat foam and put aftermarket leather for a little more give. Better, but still too much built in lumbar. Its like no one even tried to address the anatomy of the human back or comfort!! My wife's VW Jetta has great, very comfortable seats....ridiculous and its a 20k economy car! Shame on GM. 

[Skidsareforkids]

I just noticed the ‘19 Sierra and Silverados don’t even have adaptive cruise as an option, even when paying $72k for a loaded Denali! Damn. Even my wife’s ‘16 Yukon has that!
I don’t think it’s enough for me to change brand, but that’s a pretty big omission on their part!


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[snoodcrusher]

Haven't thought about trading for a Ram but I routinely think of trading for another Super Duty. I've owned a half dozen of them and have driven them at work for many years. Cost of ownership is a good bit higher but I just love almost everything about them, both the 6.2 gasoline and 6.7 diesel. I'm certain I'll be back in some kind of new crew cab F-250 within the next 12 months.


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[pronstar]

I just noticed the ‘19 Sierra and Silverados don’t even have adaptive cruise as an option, even when paying $72k for a loaded Denali! Damn. Even my wife’s ‘16 Yukon has that!
I don’t think it’s enough for me to change brand, but that’s a pretty big omission on their part!


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The $29/day Corolla I rented two weeks ago from Enterprise had adaptive cruise...


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[yamaha0343]

The 2019 GMs look like a step back in a lot of ways. The interior doesn't look very good at all. Auto start/stop. Something about the radio just looks cheap. 

 

For the first time in a good while, the Chevy looks way better than the GMC on the outside. Not digging the new Sierra at all.

 

eta: As far as the Dodge, you're a braver man than me to buy a first year Chrysler product.

[STRMTRPR]

..considering a new RAM? Nope..a new F150? Nope.. the reasons for one person to pick a particular truck/option over another are as individual as it gets. My choice was to move to a new 18 Silverado 1500 LT from a F150 King Ranch 5.4 lifted on 35's.  Nobody makes the perfect package but this was hands down the package for me

[IncisionInd]

I actually looked at this recently when I was trading in my 2015 Silverado.  I looked at all of the different options and I elected to go back to Chevy and pick up a 2018 Silverado 1500.

 

To be honest I feel like the interior in the new RAM is nice (Much better than it has been) but I just am not a fan of the exterior.