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45 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

1 Order of magnitude (Nitration)

 

The Boss claims that each integer is one order of magnitude greater than the last. i.e. 11 is one order greater than 10 and 12 is one order greater than 11. Thus 12 is two orders more than 10. Each 10 times greater than the preceding value. 

 

Problem. An order of magnitude isn't defined like that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_magnitude

 

So if I start with a base background of 8 abs/0.1mm one order of magnitude is any number between 0.8 and 80 abs. The range of two orders of magnitude for a value of 8 is from 0.8 to 800. This means that 8 is within a factor of 10 from both 0.8 (10^0) and 800 (10^2). Ergo 20 isn't an order greater, its a value within one order as is 80. 2 orders would fall between 81 and 800 before a distinction could even be made between 1 and 2 orders. 

 

Background matters. Oil type matters and they differ. 

https://precisionlubrication.com/articles/detecting-oxidation-and-nitration/

 

 

 

Huh? 🤔 

 

So FTIR deals with waveform spectra right? 
 

In your comment above what UNIT measure are you addressing? 
 

There are 4 I use to address FTIR readings. 
 

%  allowable

T  transmittance 

A  absorption

W  weight 

I’ll look up tables we developed at DysonAnalysis that no one else seems to use but is based on US DOD standards. 
 

As always Im at your service @Grumpy Bear

 

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Is there an explanation that can convince Joe Average that 2 + 2 = 71?

 

 

Yep 

 

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Even some college educated CLS's

:idiot:

 

Look at note 1.5 at SAVANT's web site. @customboss has recommended this lab as the 'go to' for top drawer work. Impossible to read in this cut and paste but that note reads of FTIR method D7624:

 

1.5 This test method is for petroleum and hydrocarbon-based lubricants and is not applicable for ester-based oils, including polyol esters or phosphate esters.

 

https://www.savantlab.com/astm-methods/astm-d7624-standard-test-method-for-condition-monitoring-of-nitration-in-in-service-petroleum-and-hydrocarbon-based-lubricants-by-trend-analysis-using-fourier-transform-infrared-ft-ir-spectrometry/

 

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Wrong on the math, wrong on the application...just wrong

 

 

 

 

 

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customboss Senior Enthusiast

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On 10/27/2025 at 2:12 PM, customboss said:

Huh? 🤔 

 

So FTIR deals with waveform spectra right? 
 

In your comment above what UNIT measure are you addressing? 
 

There are 4 I use to address FTIR readings. 
 

%  allowable

T  transmittance 

A  absorption

W  weight 

I’ll look up tables we developed at DysonAnalysis that no one else seems to use but is based on US DOD standards. 
 

As always Im at your service @Grumpy Bear

 

Answer the question so I can answer yours. 

customboss Senior Enthusiast

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10 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Is there an explanation that can convince Joe Average that 2 + 2 = 71?

 

 

Yep 

 

image.jpeg.13c03883c6c3ce9fdaed45e17416d61b.jpeg

 

Even some college educated CLS's

:idiot:

 

Look at note 1.5 at SAVANT's web site. @customboss has recommended this lab as the 'go to' for top drawer work. Impossible to read in this cut and paste but that note reads of FTIR method D7624:

 

1.5 This test method is for petroleum and hydrocarbon-based lubricants and is not applicable for ester-based oils, including polyol esters or phosphate esters.

 

https://www.savantlab.com/astm-methods/astm-d7624-standard-test-method-for-condition-monitoring-of-nitration-in-in-service-petroleum-and-hydrocarbon-based-lubricants-by-trend-analysis-using-fourier-transform-infrared-ft-ir-spectrometry/

 

image.thumb.png.59942636f97e0e149765ef0d480a1682.png

 

Wrong on the math, wrong on the application...just wrong

 

 

 

 

 

Wrong again Bozo. 

customboss Senior Enthusiast

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Hey @grumpy bear seriously hurry up. I’m gonna give you some gold on here if you’ll just answer the damn question I asked you I’m gonna give you 50+ years of FTIR work that nobody’s writing down and telling you.

 

you and your little minions will enjoy it

customboss Senior Enthusiast

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@Grumpy Bear I think maybe you don’t know enough to answer my question? You keep posting other folks thoughts on the IR via Fourier but I’m not sure you can understand the science unless you can objectively answer. 
 

I don’t want waste pearls on swine. 

customboss Senior Enthusiast

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On 10/27/2025 at 2:12 PM, customboss said:

Huh? 🤔 

 

So FTIR deals with waveform spectra right? 
 

In your comment above what UNIT measure are you addressing? 
 

There are 4 I use to address FTIR readings. 
 

%  allowable

T  transmittance 

A  absorption

W  weight 

I’ll look up tables we developed at DysonAnalysis that no one else seems to use but is based on US DOD standards. 
 

As always Im at your service @Grumpy Bear

 

Still waiting………..Some one else speak up so we can clear the contaminated air Grumpy promotes. 

Atlas Senior Enthusiast

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I think he replied yesterday but it was swept up in the cleanup that txab did. The tone was pouty for sure, and it didn't refute your assertions.

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customboss Senior Enthusiast

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Just now, Atlas said:

I think he replied yesterday but it was swept up in the cleanup that txab did. The tone was pouty for sure, and it didn't refute your assertions.

Yeah I need a direct answer to speak to his “concerns” 

Grumpy Bear Senior Enthusiast

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Truth has a Cost

 

To learn the truth cost, you have to give up one of two or perhaps both things. Ignorance or a previous belief that isn't true.

 

But that isn't the only costs involved. Study cost time. Materials cost money. All of those cost you in being absent in others lives. Sacrificing their wants and sometimes yours to pursue the truth. It can consume your very being. Cost of education is not the providence of those with formal secular education. NONE of those cost can be recuperated.

 

When you look down on a autodidact your looking down on those above you and making a fool of yourself. Nearly every person on earth is capable of very high levels of self education. Thinking you are special or superior because of a formal education only shows how little you learned.  

 

Thomas Edison Inventor Developed the electric light bulb and phonograph
Albert Einstein Physicist Formulated the theory of relativity
Leonardo da Vinci Polymath Renowned for art and scientific inventions
Abraham Lincoln Politician Led the U.S. during the Civil War, abolished slavery
Bill Gates Entrepreneur Co-founded Microsoft, revolutionized personal computing
Jimi Hendrix Musician Influential guitarist known for his innovative style

 

Granted, few will choose to educate themselves because they do not wish to pay the price. It can be humiliating to say I'm ignorant of the facts or what I know is a lie. Yea, it cost. 

customboss Senior Enthusiast

customboss

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15 minutes ago, Grumpy Bear said:

Truth has a Cost

 

To learn the truth cost, you have to give up one of two or perhaps both things. Ignorance or a previous belief that isn't true.

 

But that isn't the only costs involved. Study cost time. Materials cost money. All of those cost you in being absent in others lives. Sacrificing their wants and sometimes yours to pursue the truth. It can consume your very being. Cost of education is not the providence of those with formal secular education. NONE of those cost can be recuperated.

 

When you look down on a autodidact your looking down on those above you and making a fool of yourself. Nearly every person on earth is capable of very high levels of self education. Thinking you are special or superior because of a formal education only shows how little you learned.  

 

Thomas Edison Inventor Developed the electric light bulb and phonograph
Albert Einstein Physicist Formulated the theory of relativity
Leonardo da Vinci Polymath Renowned for art and scientific inventions
Abraham Lincoln Politician Led the U.S. during the Civil War, abolished slavery
Bill Gates Entrepreneur Co-founded Microsoft, revolutionized personal computing
Jimi Hendrix Musician Influential guitarist known for his innovative style

 

Granted, few will choose to educate themselves because they do not wish to pay the price. It can be humiliating to say I'm ignorant of the facts or what I know is a lie. Yea, it cost. 

Guess nitration and FTIR is too much to learn. OK. 

Donstar Senior Enthusiast

Donstar

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On 10/29/2025 at 9:08 AM, customboss said:

Wrong again Bozo. 

Calling another person a "Bozo" was popular when we were kids.  It was typically used in a playful situation or maybe a self criticism for a foolish mistake.  I am sure my wife has called me a Bozo in the past but never intended as a hurtful comment.  The way it is used in this post, is upsetting to me, and I'm sure to others.  I think we all agree that we're entitled to our own opinions/beliefs and we are united in our efforts to protect these rights.  This thread and this forum are opportunities for us to demonstrate respect and tolerance for others.  

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KARNUT Senior Enthusiast

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18 minutes ago, Donstar said:

Calling another person a "Bozo" was popular when we were kids.  It was typically used in a playful situation or maybe a self criticism for a foolish mistake.  I am sure my wife has called me a Bozo in the past but never intended as a hurtful comment.  The way it is used in this post, is upsetting to me, and I'm sure to others.  I think we all agree that we're entitled to our own opinions/beliefs and we are united in our efforts to protect these rights.  This thread and this forum are opportunities for us to demonstrate respect and tolerance for others.  

Sometimes it’s better to agree to disagree and move on. Working in a family business with like minded people sometimes that method came in handy. Even like minded individuals can disagree. This insanity over oil is more amusing than helpful. After all simply following the owners manual is sufficient in most cases. 

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On 10/30/2025 at 10:37 AM, Atlas said:

I think he replied yesterday but it was swept up in the cleanup that txab did. The tone was pouty for sure, and it didn't refute your assertions.

Nope. Only post he had, customboss saw it and replied. Was not on the topic custom wanted an answer to

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