2500 HD - 10,650 lbs. GVWR?

[22z712500]

1 hour ago, AmyR said:

DOT isn't the only trigger for vehicles with a GVWR over 10,000lbs.  If your vehicle has a GVWR over 10,000lbs, the locations where it is stored or serviced have additional fire-protection requirements - you will need to have that vehicle stored and repaired at a location meant for Commercial Vehicles rather than simply personal trucks and cars.  Sprinkler system requirements for those places kick in quite early, so it's a more expensive place to run and therefore to do business with.  You need to ask yourself: do you NEED a vehicle with over 10,000 gross vehicle weight capacity or not?  If not - don't buy one that robust, either new or used. 

 

Can you cite regulations for this?

[Adam9066]

On 12/18/2020 at 10:20 PM, Horsing Around said:

The 2021 2500HD  crew cab, standard bed, diesel has two different GVWR. 10k w/ 11,530 trailering and 11,350 GVWR w/ 18,500  trailering. I was told by a dealer that they are identical suspensions, frames, axels, gears etc. between the two and they actually could carry and pull the same load safely. The 10K GVWR  rating are manipulated to meet certain requirements.  True or false?

 I dont think this is entirely true. I think everything is the same except the tires. When I build mine I had wanted the 11350gvw and I had to get 18 inch tires to get that as the dealer said they could not get proper load rated tires in 20 inch rims. Not sure if that is true or not but it's what I was told. And everytime the dealer tried to add 20s it took the rating down to 10k gvw.

[MTU Alum]

15 hours ago, Adam9066 said:

 I dont think this is entirely true. I think everything is the same except the tires. When I build mine I had wanted the 11350gvw and I had to get 18 inch tires to get that as the dealer said they could not get proper load rated tires in 20 inch rims. Not sure if that is true or not but it's what I was told. And everytime the dealer tried to add 20s it took the rating down to 10k gvw.

 

11,350 GVW is on crew cab standard cab models with diesel and 18 or 20 inch tires.  The GVW lowers with 17 inch tires.   For 10k GVW, option code CG0 is checked.  Your dealer does not know what they are doing.

 

#iworkforGM

[Adam9066]

23 hours ago, MTU Alum said:

 

11,350 GVW is on crew cab standard cab models with diesel and 18 or 20 inch tires.  The GVW lowers with 17 inch tires.   For 10k GVW, option code CG0 is checked.  Your dealer does not know what they are doing.

 

#iworkforGM

Then gm software is mistaken to. He showed me everytime we put 20 inch rims on the truck it took away the 11350 GVW we tried several rim and tire combos. 18 inch rims was the only way the ordering software would allow us to keep the 11350 gvw. This was on a crew cab 2022 2500 diesel with a 6 foot bed.

 

I'll add to there is a lot of things you can spec online but whe. You actually go to order what you speced on the web GM won't actually build. The reason I was at the dealer was GM rejected my first build . My original spec was for a double cab 6 foot diesel the rejected because they were not building double cab diesels. I either had to get a gas engine or a crew cab. Which I'm glad happened. But I speced that truck on the gm website printed it out and brought it with me.

Edited March 23, 2022 by Adam9066

[MTU Alum]

There are no differences between the 10k and 11,350 GVW except the sticker on the door.  

[TheElementalCashew]

14 hours ago, Adam9066 said:

Then gm software is mistaken to. He showed me everytime we put 20 inch rims on the truck it took away the 11350 GVW we tried several rim and tire combos. 18 inch rims was the only way the ordering software would allow us to keep the 11350 gvw. This was on a crew cab 2022 2500 diesel with a 6 foot bed.

 

I'll add to there is a lot of things you can spec online but whe. You actually go to order what you speced on the web GM won't actually build. The reason I was at the dealer was GM rejected my first build . My original spec was for a double cab 6 foot diesel the rejected because they were not building double cab diesels. I either had to get a gas engine or a crew cab. Which I'm glad happened. But I speced that truck on the gm website printed it out and brought it with me.

It must be mistaken, or there needs to be some combination with those wheels to get the GVWR. My crew cab AT4 with 20s is 11350 GVWR. 

 

[Random]

17 hours ago, Adam9066 said:

Then gm software is mistaken to. He showed me everytime we put 20 inch rims on the truck it took away the 11350 GVW we tried several rim and tire combos. 18 inch rims was the only way the ordering software would allow us to keep the 11350 gvw. This was on a crew cab 2022 2500 diesel with a 6 foot bed.

 

I'll add to there is a lot of things you can spec online but whe. You actually go to order what you speced on the web GM won't actually build. The reason I was at the dealer was GM rejected my first build . My original spec was for a double cab 6 foot diesel the rejected because they were not building double cab diesels. I either had to get a gas engine or a crew cab. Which I'm glad happened. But I speced that truck on the gm website printed it out and brought it with me.

Definitely an issue with the build software on their website. I tried to build my same truck (2021) using the 2022 model year and every time I pick 20" wheels/tires it forces me to choose the lowered 10k gvwr. Follow those exact same steps when building a 2021 and asks you to chose between the lowered 10k gvwr and 11,350 gvwr.

[Adam9066]

11 hours ago, MTU Alum said:

There are no differences between the 10k and 11,350 GVW except the sticker on the door.  

Might want to let gm know because like I said they would not or will not let  you spec 20 inch rims on the 2022 models year 2500 for a 11350 gvw truck. Not sure if that has changed.

 

By the way im not complaining it was not that big of a deal for me either way im actually happy with the 18s . I like the rims I got  they look good with the pacific blue. I wish I souls have optioned to black the truck out in the sle package but it looks good the way it is to.

[redwngr]

From the 2022 2500 (silverado) order guide.

Most of these RPO's  are not 'selectable' but are 'included and only available with' items based on other rpo codes that have been selected. 

 

https://www.gmfleetorderguide.com/NASApp/domestic/proddesc.jsp?year=2022&regionID=1&divisionID=1&type=0&vehicleID=22222&section=oi_def&page=6&butID=3

 

C4M    GVWR, 9900 lbs. (4490 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CC20903 model and (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine with 17" wheels.     A1    --       A1    --       --   

 

C7A         Lowered GVWR, 10,000 lbs. (4536 kg), lowers GVWR and significantly decreases towing and/or payload ratings
1 -  C*20903, CC20743, CC20753 and CC20953 models require (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine. (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine is not available on the following models: C*20903, CC20743, CC20753 and

CC20953. 
2 -  Not available with (YF5) or (NE1) Emissions. 
3 -  C*20903, CC20743, CC20753 and CC20953 models require (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine. When ordered with (ZW9) pickup bed delete, includes hard touch instrument panel-top pad. (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine is not available on the following models: C*20903, CC20743, CC20753 and CC20953. 
4 -  CC20743, CC20753 and CC20953 models require (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine. When ordered with (ZW9) pickup bed delete, includes hard touch instrument panel-top pad. (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine is not available on the following models: CC20743, CC20753 and CC20953.     A1    A2    A3    A4    A2

 

     9N2    GVWR, 10,050 lbs. (4559 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CC20753 model and (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine with 17" wheels.     A1    --       A1    --       --   
  

   JGA    GVWR, 10,150 lbs. (4604 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CC20743 model and (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine with 17" wheels. 
2 -  Included and only available with CC20743 model and (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine with 17" wheels, or CC20903 model and (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine with 18" or 20" wheels.     A1    --       A2    --       --   
  

   JFG    GVWR, 10,200 lbs. (4627 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CC20953 model and (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine with 17" wheels.     A1    --       A1    --       --   

 

     JGB    GVWR, 10,250 lbs. (4649 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CC20753 model and (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine with 18" or 20" wheels or CK20903 model and (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine with 17" wheels.     A1    A1    A1    A1    --   

 

     JFH    GVWR, 10,300 lbs. (4672 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CC20943 model and (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine with 17" wheels.     A1    --       A1    --       --   

 

     JGC    GVWR, 10,350 lbs. (4695 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CC20743 model and (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine with 18" or 20" wheels or CK20753 and (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine with 17" wheels.     A1    A1    A1    A1    --   

 

     JFI    GVWR, 10,400 lbs. (4717 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CC20953 model and (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine with 18" or 20" wheels.     A1    A1    A1    A1    --   
     JGD    GVWR, 10,450 lbs. (4740 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CK20743 model and (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine with 17" wheels or CK20903 model and (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine with 18"or 20" wheels.     A1    --       A1    --       --   

 

     C7G    GVWR, 10,500 lbs. (4763 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CC20943 model and (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine with 18" or 20" wheels or CK20953 and (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine with 17" wheels.     A1    A1    A1    A1    --   

 

     JGE    GVWR, 10,550 lbs. (4785 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CK20753 model and (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine with 18" or 20" wheels or CC20903 model and (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine with 17" wheels.     A1    A1    A1    A1    --   
     JGF    GVWR, 10,650 lbs. (4831 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CK20743 model and (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine with 18" or 20" wheels or CK20943 and (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine with 17" wheels.     A1    A1    A1    A1    A1

 

     JFK    GVWR, 10,700 lbs. (4854 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CC20753 model and (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine with 17" wheels.     A1    --       A1    --       --   

 

     JGG    GVWR, 10,750 lbs. (4876 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CK20953 model and (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine with 18" or 20" wheels or CC20903 model and (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine with 18" or 20" wheels.     A1    A1    A1    A1    --   

 

     JFL    GVWR, 10,800 lbs. (4899 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CC20743 model and (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine with 17" wheels.     A1    --       A1    --       --   

 

     JGH    GVWR, 10,850 lbs. (4921 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CK20943 model and (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine with 18" or 20" wheels.     A1    A1    A1    A1    A1

 

     JFM    GVWR, 10,900 lbs. (4944 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CC20753 model and (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine with 18" or 20" wheels or CC20953 model and (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine with 17" wheels or CK20903 model and (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine with 17" wheels.     A1    A1    A1    A1    --   

 

     C7E    GVWR, 11,000 lbs. (4990 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CC20943 model and (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine with 17" wheels or CK20753 model and (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine with 17" wheels.     A1    --       A1    --       --   
 

    CKF    GVWR, 11,025 lbs. (5001 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CK20903 model and (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine with 18" or 20" wheels.     A1    --       A1    --       --   
 

    JGJ    GVWR, 11,050 lbs. (5012 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CC20743 model and (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine with 18" or 20" wheels.     A1    A1    A1    A1    --   

 

     JFN    GVWR, 11,100 lbs. (5035 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CC20953 model and (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine with 18" or 20" wheels.     A1    A1    A1    A1    --   

 

     JGK    GVWR, 11,150 lbs. (5058 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CK20743 model and (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine with 17" wheels.     A1    --       A1    --       --   

 

     JFO    GVWR, 11,200 lbs. (5080 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CC20943 model and (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine with 18" or 20" wheels or CK20753 model and (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine with 18"or 20" wheels or CK20953 model and (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine with 17" wheels.     A1    A1    A1    A1    --   

 

     JGL    GVWR, 11,350 lbs. (5148 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CK20743 model and (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine with 18" or 20" wheels or CK20943 model and (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine with 17" wheels.     A1    A1    A1    A1    A1
 

    JGM    GVWR, 11,450 lbs. (5194 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CK20953 model and (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine with 18" or 20" wheels.     A1    A1    A1    A1    --   
 

    JGN    GVWR, 11,550 lbs. (5239 kg)
1 -  Included and only available with CK20943 model and (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine with 18" or 20" wheels.     A1    A1    A1    A1    A1

 

 

     GT4    Rear axle, 3.73 ratio
1 -  Requires (L8T) 6.6L V8 gas engine. Not available with (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine.     S1    S1    S1    S1    S1

 

     GU6    Rear axle, 3.42 ratio
1 -  Included and only available with (L5P) Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 engine.

[GeneJock]

On 3/23/2022 at 8:45 PM, Adam9066 said:

Might want to let gm know because like I said they would not or will not let  you spec 20 inch rims on the 2022 models year 2500 for a 11350 gvw truck. Not sure if that has changed.

 

By the way im not complaining it was not that big of a deal for me either way im actually happy with the 18s . I like the rims I got  they look good with the pacific blue. I wish I souls have optioned to black the truck out in the sle package but it looks good the way it is to.

Here's the door sticker on my 22 2500HD with Duramax and 20" rims. I never really cared about it and only went to a 2500HD because I hated the 10 speed transmission in my '19 1500. Now that I'm looking at adding a truck camper, it's become important. 

[sheath]

On 3/27/2022 at 6:19 AM, GeneJock said:

Here's the door sticker on my 22 2500HD with Duramax and 20" rims. I never really cared about it and only went to a 2500HD because I hated the 10 speed transmission in my '19 1500. Now that I'm looking at adding a truck camper, it's become important. 

Amazing the difference a long bed diesel truck makes over a short bed Gas.  Compare your tow ratings to mine (3500 CC/SB 4x4 with Snow Plow / Camper option).  The way you spec'd your 2500 is awesome for towing.  Nice Job.

 

Edited March 28, 2022 by sheath
Add engine difference

[GeneJock]

I wish I could take credit for the build. One of the salesman at the dealer spec'd it for himself, then after the owner of the dealership found out, given no one was getting trucks at the time, they sold it to me. Needless to say the salesman was a little PO'd. I just wanted out of my '19 1500 and knew I needed to get into at least a 2500 to get away from that damn 10 speed they used in the 1/2 ton. Who knew at the time, I'd actually be kicking myself for not looking for a 3500 because I want to get a truck camper and I'm gonna be pushing the weight limits with my 2500.

 

BTW, mine's a standard bed, not a long bed.

Edited March 29, 2022 by GeneJock

[sheath]

I ran Firestone airbags on a 2500 Dodge, and it worked out awesome.  Not sure how that would translate to the Chevy, but always something to consider.

I figured long bed, since you're going to run a truck camper.  at 3,100lbs capacity with the short bed, you'll be close.  Salesman did a good job on the build.

[Another JR]

Heres the sticker for my 2021 3500hd SLT cc lb srw gas truck. Payload is 4,054 lbs. 

 

 

[nards444]

On 3/18/2022 at 11:02 AM, 22z712500 said:

 

Can you cite regulations for this?

 

Yeah I dont think this is true.  Might depend on state and such.  I live in and NY and most truck get commercial plates and the DMV has never said anything about this or, home inspectors, code guys etc.  Matter fact ive never seen this in any state that I have been too.  Probably a lot like the post going around a while back that CAB lights were illegal