Towing with electric?

[garagerog]

Biden plans on asking congress for beaucoup bucks for infrastructure spending, a good part of that to go for building a network of charging stations. Probably putting the cart before the horse because the countries electric transmission grid is iffy as it is. California is already in dire straits meeting electrical demand and they already rely on a lot of surplus electricity imported from the hydroelectric dams in the PNW. One good drought winter in the Columbia River basin and the brownouts they've experienced of late will seem like the good old days. And yet by the 2030's the only new car you'll be able to buy there has to be electric? Course maybe by that time most every one will have moved out anyway.

[LDM]

On 1/10/2021 at 7:33 AM, garagerog said:

Biden plans on asking congress for beaucoup bucks for infrastructure spending, a good part of that to go for building a network of charging stations. Probably putting the cart before the horse because the countries electric transmission grid is iffy as it is. California is already in dire straits meeting electrical demand and they already rely on a lot of surplus electricity imported from the hydroelectric dams in the PNW. One good drought winter in the Columbia River basin and the brownouts they've experienced of late will seem like the good old days. And yet by the 2030's the only new car you'll be able to buy there has to be electric? Course maybe by that time most every one will have moved out anyway.

This right here.  The infrastructure for electric cars isn't there and it will cost billions to make it capable of handling the load required.  Not to mention where is all this energy going to come from?  Solar and wind?  Those can't even supply what we now need, let alone what we will need when 90+% of the vehicles on the road are electric.  Right now electricity is cheap in many areas but once everyone has to start paying for all that infrastructure and power plants, the costs will skyrocket.  If people think $4-5 gas is expensive, wait until you are paying $1+ for a kWh of electricity for all your power needs at home and for your electric car.  Those electric cars will cost more to buy and more to operate than anyone in this country is going to be willing to pay.

[bg1988]

On 12/12/2019 at 8:26 PM, Ezekiel2517 said:

I know that electric motors have crazy torque ratings but how would they work in real world towing?  It seems like it would draw the batter down super fast resulting in very short range.  So even if you had 700-800 ft lbs of torque, wouldnt it be kinda pointless if you could only use it a little while.  It seems like a plug in hybrid might be a good idea if it could supplement the gas engine all the time.  

the tahoe/silverado/yukon**/escalade*  hybrid is only rated to (6000/6100/6200/5600pounds)pounds towing.... despite having more power then the 5.3L engine... this is mostly due to the   gear ratio at the rear end 3.08 most likely

[bg1988]

On 1/20/2021 at 11:34 AM, LDM said:

This right here.  The infrastructure for electric cars isn't there and it will cost billions to make it capable of handling the load required.  Not to mention where is all this energy going to come from?  Solar and wind?  Those can't even supply what we now need, let alone what we will need when 90+% of the vehicles on the road are electric.  Right now electricity is cheap in many areas but once everyone has to start paying for all that infrastructure and power plants, the costs will skyrocket.  If people think $4-5 gas is expensive, wait until you are paying $1+ for a kWh of electricity for all your power needs at home and for your electric car.  Those electric cars will cost more to buy and more to operate than anyone in this country is going to be willing to pay.

  Car charging is heavily  subsidized   it's only 0.02/kwh   under the condition the power co gets to have it back for free when the grid needs it

Edited March 14, 2021 by bg1988

[gearheadesw]

Everyone reading this thread will be dead before we have a reliable power grid able to handle  all these cars we are supposedly supposed to have by 2030. Plus, that's just the charging side, how many of you are ready to give up, range, where to "fill up", and when to fill up, as so many can' t charge at the same time???  Unless some new technology shows up, we are still 50- 75 years from full electric, the cars and battery need massive improvement, the infrastructure needs to be built to handle these extra loads. Now, if we had Fusion power under control, we could do this stuff easily, electrify the roads and charge as you drive, make every roof, window,  and side walk a solar collector, it's just not going to happen in todays or tomorrows world until we can generate power and get out to the masses.

Edited March 14, 2021 by gearheadesw

[LDM]

9 hours ago, bg1988 said:

  Car charging is heavily  subsidized   it's only 0.02/kwh   under the condition the power co gets to have it back for free when the grid needs it

And where is this at?  Car charging isn't subsidized at all where I live.  You pay the same amount for your electricity at home regardless of what you use it for.

 

Even if it is subsidized now in certain areas, it won't be later.  It won't be possible with all the money that will be needed to upgrade the infrastructure to support it.

[bg1988]

39 minutes ago, LDM said:

And where is this at?  Car charging isn't subsidized at all where I live.  You pay the same amount for your electricity at home regardless of what you use it for.

 

Even if it is subsidized now in certain areas, it won't be later.  It won't be possible with all the money that will be needed to upgrade the infrastructure to support it.

La DWP

Electric Vehicle Incentives (ladwp.com)

Option 3: Separate EV TOU Meter Service and EV Discount

Customers can request an installation of a second meter in their residence or business solely dedicated to the EV charger that will be billed on the Time-of-Use Rate. This option requires a meter change and does qualify for the EV discount rate. The EV discount is $0.025 per kwh and applies to base period charges. There is a $10 per month minimum charge plus adjustment factors (if your energy charges, which do not include adjustment factor charges, are less than $10, the energy charge will be billed the minimum $10). For more information, visit the EV / NEM / REO Rates page.

Edited March 14, 2021 by bg1988

[LDM]

34 minutes ago, bg1988 said:

La DWP

Electric Vehicle Incentives (ladwp.com)

Option 3: Separate EV TOU Meter Service and EV Discount

Customers can request an installation of a second meter in their residence or business solely dedicated to the EV charger that will be billed on the Time-of-Use Rate. This option requires a meter change and does qualify for the EV discount rate. The EV discount is $0.025 per kwh and applies to base period charges. There is a $10 per month minimum charge plus adjustment factors (if your energy charges, which do not include adjustment factor charges, are less than $10, the energy charge will be billed the minimum $10). For more information, visit the EV / NEM / REO Rates page.

So Los Angeles, California then?  Like I said, this doesn't exist where I live and doesn't exist in 99% of the rest of the country either.

[bg1988]

8 hours ago, LDM said:

So Los Angeles, California then?  Like I said, this doesn't exist where I live and doesn't exist in 99% of the rest of the country either.

thats too bad i can see a lot of people doing illegal hookups to get that "0.025"  rate on non  car charging 

Edited March 15, 2021 by bg1988

[redwngr]

The article doesn't say you can buy it for $0.025 per kw.

 

The article says there is a meter charge and then there is a discount of $0.025 per kw.  

 

 

[rosidian]

Never seen an EV towing another vehicle in real life. Nothing beats a fuel-powered truck.

Edited March 29, 2021 by rosidian

[cfell]

This is a nonstarter. My 2500HD has nearly 1000 FT pounds torque... all day long under 2000rpm. Pulling a 9000# 34’ airstream at average of 62 MPH and full gear in back of trucks under the bonnet I am getting up to 16MPG and as low as0-2MPG. From Dallas to central Louisiana the 11-15mpg was good. Figuring the cost I spent, $150 in fuel, let people pass, even hit the brakes to help them pass. It would be a 3 day trip. Each way. 
 

recall, there was a group creating commercial electric, self driving rigs. Some genius finally got attention of “management “ and pointed out there was no place to plug in, much less have power to put in the outlets. Non starter. 
 

now we have a online toy store ravaging our economy.... and are going to deplete the electrical power needed to run the toys.. 

 

Management. Mmm ok...

 

[Grumpy Bear]

https://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/the-true-cost-of-powering-an-electric-car.html

[Grumpy Bear]

There is always an angle and you, the consumer will never know what that is until there is nothing left to take from you. Cheap energy at home, off hours. A buck a mile at a charging station on the road. Really......

 

Watch what car you buy based on the cars internal charging system? Bet that's on the sticker... Whatever.....it will be whatever it will be.  

[cfell]

11 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

https://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/the-true-cost-of-powering-an-electric-car.html

Awesomeness... but, the grid in most neighborhoods can’t handle everyone plugging in.  If it could, the “charging station” instal is well “north” of the fees listed (speaking to electricians we know...)... for instance, to “set a pan” can cost over $1500 alone.  The “price” of electricity is one thing, the charges for the “delivery” is additional. There are more “unexpected costs” coming. To trench underground for new lines is around $50/ foot.. and through rock where many of us live, more. 
 

and who wants or can afford to spend “hours” waiting to recharge?  For millions, sitting on crowded roads, why not take the bus... you know you can trust the government to keep that cheap.. and safe, just ask folks after Hurricane Katrina... where so many only had “public transportation”... and were abandoned..

 

So, this shouldn’t be an either/or edict. If someone wants an electronic transport, great, pay the bill and when the systems are in place, offer it.  But we as a people cannot foot the bill anymore.