Coronavirus

KARNUT · May 2, 2020

I don't think it's been done all wrong. The travel bans and lockdowns were necessary when the infection and mortality rates were increasing exponentially. They should have started easing the restrictions sooner, but that's happening now. Hindsight Bias is always 20-20.

Basically agree, some areas should have taken a wait and see approach.

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Grumpy Bear · May 2, 2020

4 hours ago, KARNUT said:

People who have trouble with an exchange of ideas usually start the name calling. There’s plenty of places in the world one can go where it appears they all have the same ideas.

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Do you understand a generalized statement. It wasn't a name call. I used the word in it literal sense.

You do know that Ule foraged (not hunt) right? My wife's a vegetarian.

I would love to roll back the clock six months. Or ahead past all this. But where we are, is reality. Nobody asked for the Depression or the Dust Bowl or the half dozen pestilences over the last century and a half.

This thing that is happening is called LIFE. The Constitution does not promise you the RIGHT to happiness. It's promised the PURSUIT of it.

KARNUT · May 2, 2020

Do you understand a generalized statement. It wasn't a name call. I used the word in it literal sense.
You do know that Ule foraged (not hunt) right? My wife's a vegetarian.

I would love to roll back the clock six months. Or ahead past all this. But where we are, is reality. Nobody asked for the Depression or the Dust Bowl or the half dozen pestilences over the last century and a half.

This thing that is happening is called LIFE. The Constitution does not promise you the RIGHT to happiness. It's promised the PURSUIT of it.

You do realize this exercise is basically counter to the bill of rights? Some blue states are going way overboard. California closing beaches, really? Most transmission are inside. People would be more willing if it was more sensible. There’s one state making it impossible for me to travel East. A blue state with rapid declining infections. No restrooms open. Nothing. Ridiculous.

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Cpl_Punishment · May 2, 2020

11 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

The Governor said he will defend their right to protest to the end... even when they are wrong.

"I disapprove of what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

94yj · May 2, 2020

not sure if it is the same in other cities as it is here but their has not been one death mentioned that was not classified as a covid death seems in Texas the only one that kills is the covid also seems strange that the deaths are made by the politicians and not the medical examiner which i thought it was the medical examiners job to rule what the cause of death was

KARNUT · May 2, 2020

I was listening to a local radio talk show. A caller claimed to have a friend recently residing in a nursing home with a leg injury. He got an infection and passed. It was ruled covid-19. Seems there’s more money in this bug. May have something to do with the rulings.

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Silverado4x4 · May 2, 2020

5 hours ago, KARNUT said:

I was listening to a local radio talk show. A caller claimed to have a friend recently residing in a nursing home with a leg injury. He got an infection and passed. It was ruled covid-19. Seems there’s more money in this bug. May have something to do with the rulings.

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100% True, starting to hear a lot about this now see here: https://www.pacificpundit.com/2020/04/07/dr-birx-lets-the-truth-slip-out-if-you-are-covid-19-positive-and-die-of-something-else-your-death-is-listed-as-coronavirus/ scroll down to the video

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Grumpy Bear · May 3, 2020

9 hours ago, 94yj said:

not sure if it is the same in other cities as it is here but their has not been one death mentioned that was not classified as a covid death seems in Texas the only one that kills is the covid also seems strange that the deaths are made by the politicians and not the medical examiner which i thought it was the medical examiners job to rule what the cause of death was

Here is the Big Windy the normal ME day sees 20 people. As of late, now 90.

Saw a sound bite a day or two ago about an ICU nurse killing herself over the carnage. Her sister speaking said she was good loosing a person or two a week (NY Hospital) but the shifts before she ended it they were loosing a patient every 15 minutes. Some never making past the ER waiting room. Said is was like watching Armageddon.

Neighbor who works in a nursing home asked for the basic protection. They tested all who lived their but not a single person who worked there. Told her they would have the results in 48 hours. She asked for 72 off. (She has a months paid time off coming). Her boss made an excuse as to why she couldn't leave. Lisa says, "Then you misunderstand. I'll take my full pay now. I self terminate". She feels bad for those that live there but I see her point. They cut her a check.

I watch Cuomo off and on. He made a point the other day that was an Ah Ha moment.

Okay so you region has zero cases and zero deaths so you open up everything. Next county they are dropping like flies and stay closed. Where do the people from that county go? To the one wide open and now a place with zero issues it up to it's butt in alligators.

This has to work for every one or it works for no one.

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BigBlueLB756 · May 3, 2020

Some are gonna die from worrying before the wu-flu gets 'em.

JMO

KARNUT · May 3, 2020

Here is the Big Windy the normal ME day sees 20 people. As of late, now 90.

Saw a sound bite a day or two ago about an ICU nurse killing herself over the carnage. Her sister speaking said she was good loosing a person or two a week (NY Hospital) but the shifts before she ended it they were loosing a patient every 15 minutes. Some never making past the ER waiting room. Said is was like watching Armageddon.

Neighbor who works in a nursing home asked for the basic protection. They tested all who lived their but not a single person who worked there. Told her they would have the results in 48 hours. She asked for 72 off. (She has a months paid time off coming). Her boss made an excuse as to why she couldn't leave. Lisa says, "Then you misunderstand. I'll take my full pay now. I self terminate". She feels bad for those that live there but I see her point. They cut her a check.

I watch Cuomo off and on. He made a point the other day that was an Ah Ha moment.

Okay so you region has zero cases and zero deaths so you open up everything. Next county they are dropping like flies and stay closed. Where do the people from that county go? To the one wide open and now a place with zero issues it up to it's butt in alligators.

This has to work for every one or it works for no one.

You’re right let’s wait for a cure. They say maybe 18 months. If there is one. By then all the pensions, 401Ks, IRAs will be dry. Because the stock market crashed. We can’t be trusted. Maybe the police should lock us in our homes like China. Because they did it so well. Once everything opens up the younger people will get jobs first because they work cheaper. So much for the older people we’re tying to protect. By staying home. China will be glad to help us out though they have plenty of money. They can thank us for that. Maybe they thought of that. So instead of putting up a fight maybe surrender is the best way to fight this war. Why try to save this country. Let’s just stay home and wait. Yea that’s the best way. Because we can’t trust ourselves to get it right. That’s the ticket.

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Grumpy Bear · May 3, 2020

2 hours ago, KARNUT said:

You’re right let’s wait for a cure. They say maybe 18 months. If there is one. By then all the pensions, 401Ks, IRAs will be dry. Because the stock market crashed. We can’t be trusted. Maybe the police should lock us in our homes like China. Because they did it so well. Once everything opens up the younger people will get jobs first because they work cheaper. So much for the older people we’re tying to protect. By staying home. China will be glad to help us out though they have plenty of money. They can thank us for that. Maybe they thought of that. So instead of putting up a fight maybe surrender is the best way to fight this war. Why try to save this country. Let’s just stay home and wait. Yea that’s the best way. Because we can’t trust ourselves to get it right. That’s the ticket.

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Sarcasm is your answer?

Let's see how you deal with reality.

Tell ya what sport. It didn't take a Corona Virus to get me replaced at age 55 by three guys willing to work for 1/3 the wages. That took just good old fashion American Greed. Didn't take a Corona Virus to waste the 401K of 90% of the nations ready to retire in 08. Didn't take a virus to liquidate the pension systems of most my generation and our fathers. A virus didn't steal the Social Security system from those whose lives depended upon it. A virus didn't deflate the dollar 40% over 50 years. A virus didn't lie to us about how that 401K built on 10% over a lifetime would need a 50% infusion at age 50 to make up for the economy and still fall short of the mark by 2/3 due to market crashes one after another and one too many Enron's. It didn't lie to us about the 'stay the course'. Nor did a virus lie about the way taxes would be made on those accounts. A virus didn't prop up the economy with infusions of workers savings. A virus didn't take away a workers ability to control his own 401K. Greed of those that operating insurance did the for ya.

A virus didn't put my father on $750 a month in SS benefits and lobby to liquidate his pension and break his union. A virus didn't feel sorry for either of us when the offered to hire us back at 20 cents on the dollar with no insurance nor access to a company 401K. A virus didn't charge a thousand dollars a day for a drug to a terminal patient that cost them $10. A virus isn't price gouging PPE and it sure isn't leaving food in the fields or hogs in the lots. Packers aren't shut down due to the virus. Their shut down because they have people working knee deep in entrails and blood spitting distance from each other 12 hours a day 6 days a week. Greed.

A virus is just a virus.

This one takes lives. People , institutions and greed take your means of living it or passing it on.

The virus just accelerated what's been going on since 1929.

China has nothing to do with it.

They took nothing. It was given away wholesale.

IF the Government moves to slow, you whine. If they move to fast, you whine. IF they filter the truth you whine. If they give it to ya straight you whine.

The only common denominator is YOU.

What YOU want.

You don't want to survive. You want to thrive....at a cost of others lives.

You believe you have a Constitutional right to it.

Know what that is a definition of?

Greed.

KARNUT · May 3, 2020

Sarcasm is your answer?
Let's see how you deal with reality.

Tell ya what sport. It didn't take a Corona Virus to get me replaced at age 55 by three guys willing to work for 1/3 the wages. That took just good old fashion American Greed. Didn't take a Corona Virus to waste the 401K of 90% of the nations ready to retire in 08. Didn't take a virus to liquidate the pension systems of most my generation and our fathers. A virus didn't steal the Social Security system from those whose lives depended upon it. A virus didn't deflate the dollar 40% over 50 years. A virus didn't lie to us about how that 401K built on 10% over a lifetime would need a 50% infusion at age 50 to make up for the economy and still fall short of the mark by 2/3 due to market crashes one after another and one too many Enron's. It didn't lie to us about the 'stay the course'. Nor did a virus lie about the way taxes would be made on those accounts. A virus didn't prop up the economy with infusions of workers savings. A virus didn't take away a workers ability to control his own 401K. Greed of those that operating insurance did the for ya.
A virus didn't put my father on $750 a month in SS benefits and lobby to liquidate his pension and break his union. A virus didn't feel sorry for either of us when the offered to hire us back at 20 cents on the dollar with no insurance nor access to a company 401K. A virus didn't charge a thousand dollars a day for a drug to a terminal patient that cost them $10. A virus isn't price gouging PPE and it sure isn't leaving food in the fields or hogs in the lots. Packers aren't shut down due to the virus. Their shut down because they have people working knee deep in entrails and blood spitting distance from each other 12 hours a day 6 days a week. Greed.

A virus is just a virus.
This one takes lives. People , institutions and greed take your means of living it or passing it on.
The virus just accelerated what's been going on since 1929.
China has nothing to do with it.
They took nothing. It was given away wholesale.

IF the Government moves to slow, you whine. If they move to fast, you whine. IF they filter the truth you whine. If they give it to ya straight you whine.

The only common denominator is YOU.
What YOU want.

You don't want to survive. You want to thrive....at a cost of others lives.
You believe you have a Constitutional right to it.
Know what that is a definition of?
Greed.

At 65 I’ll be able to live on SS. But I don’t have to. When ever lemons came my way I made lemonade. The one thing I could depend on is this in the United States. Greed has nothing to do with it. Providing for my family and my future did. I’m lucky I’ve made my way prepared for my future. The thing that concerns me the most. Is a virus that could change our rights. Not cause me death. And people think it’s okay. That’s not greed, that’s life.

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KARNUT · May 3, 2020

Things are getting back to normal slowly in Texas. Got to eat inside a restaurant. All precautions were taken, it was nice. We usually are early birds so the lack of crowds was normal for us. It’s nice to have a choice. Stay home or go out? It is the American way.

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KARNUT · May 3, 2020

Saw a story a couple days in a row on Tucker this week. About a restaurant in Maine. He was getting ready to open on Friday. It’s a big restaurant and has a giant patio. Reservations were pouring in. So what did the governor do? Besides extending the stay at home order. Pulled all his licenses. His last comment, he’ll probably go out of business. Choices.

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KARNUT · May 3, 2020

I feel the need every once in a while to remind people what the shut down was all about originally. Slow the spread, remember? Not to overwhelm the hospitals. That’s been done. Some governors are drunk on power. It’s easy to tell who. Remember in November.

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