STIHL 2 Stroke Premix

[Grumpy Bear]

If you use alcohol FREE fuel AND add a PEA the self life isn't six months.

In no world that I live in do I buy fuel with the idea of a two or three year storage. 

The point was you can mix a fuel that that is STIHL equivalent for a fraction of the cost. 

I use it in leaf blower and weed whip and go through it like water.

 

 

 

 

[KARNUT]

If you use alcohol FREE fuel AND add a PEA the self life isn't six months.

In no world that I live in do I buy fuel with the idea of a two or three year storage. 

The point was you can mix a fuel that that is STIHL equivalent for a fraction of the cost. 

I use it in leaf blower and weed whip and go through it like water.

 

 

 

 

You just can’t help yourself. I was just giving an example of what I been doing for 6 years since retiring with a limited use saw. You gave an example of what you do cooool. It’s not a pissing contest. In my area it’s all blended fuel. I’ve never seen straight gas here. It says on the can the self life 3 years unopened, two years open. The fuel in my saw tank is a year old. I just used it on a limb. Works great. The rest of my tools have been changed to battery. Nice and quiet. Some of them are 6 years old. I’ve spent a lifetime using that noisy 2 stroke stuff. Don’t need it. Don’t want it. I have 5 different battery powered lawn and garden power tools. All use the same battery. Nice and quiet. Next up battery powered chainsaw, same battery. Never battery power problem because of five batteries all on chargers. All in a row. But just in case a storm comes. I have one gas chainsaw. And gas in a can that last 3 years on the shelf. Kinda of handy. That’s all that was. If you’re happy with the noisy 2 stroke stuff that’s fine. I had a life time of it. I don’t put on loud mufflers anymore, same reason. Hope you got it now.


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[kickass audio]

I've thought of getting the pre-mixed 2 stroke containers but was never sure how the container is with sitting in a garage that is neither heated or cooled. I just buy 93 octane for all my small engines and have a old school tank that is a 1 gallon container and I use that to mix in 2 stroke oil for my 50:1 mix. When I finish using my tools like the chainsaw that is every once in a great while I dump out the bar&chain oil and 2 stroke fuel and run the chainsaw until it starts to stall out, then I play around with the choke and primer to suck every last ounce of fuel out of the carb and once I can't get it to run anymore I put it away in the garage. For my other tools like the lawnmower, leaf blower and string trimmer I do the same procedure but at the end of the season I am using it since it usually gets used at least once a week which is fine. 

 

A little side tip for you, when you are not going to use your power tools for a long time slowly pull your starter rope and when you feel it gets hard to pull the rope out, stop pulling the rope and hold it in position for a few seconds. This will place your piston at top dead center and if you can fully close the choke on your carb. Keeping the piston at the top helps to stop rusting of the cylinder wall from the moisture in the air. You can also give a quick shot of winterizing fluid in the cylinder bore after you remove the spark plug if you so desire but I have found just putting the piston at TDC has never harmed any of my tools.

[Grumpy Bear]

On 6/20/2020 at 7:14 PM, KARNUT said:

You just can’t help yourself.

 

In my area it’s all blended fuel. I’ve never seen straight gas here. 

 

Question then Stan; If there is no application in my OP for you in your area, why feel the need to reply at all?

 

Because you 'just can't help yourself'?

 

What value did it add to those for whom it does apply?

 

 

 

[KARNUT]

Question then Stan; If there is no application in my OP for you in your area, why feel the need to reply at all?

 

Because you 'just can't help yourself'?

 

What value did it add to those for whom it does apply?

 

 

 

Your kidding right? For limited chain saw use that the reason you would use that fuel. It has a two year shelf life once opened. Even in the saw. My 20 year old saw has it in it for a year as I stated previously. Runs fine. When I first bought this home 20 years ago I cut down many trees. Unless a big limb falls from a storm I use electric trim tools. The reasons I stated previous. For my entire working life I used saws and weed eaters for street crossings and fences lines on pipelines and utility ROWs. The reason for threads like these is for different ideas. Electric has come a long way. Most of my tools are battery powered. Most of the impact tools in my brother shop are now electric from air. There’s almost no reason for gas sitting around in garages for most people. Especially in sub divisions. You need to get over yourself. There are different ideas out there. Yours isn’t always the best.


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[Grumpy Bear]

9 hours ago, KARNUT said:

Your kidding right? For limited chain saw use that the reason you would use that fuel.

 

Yours isn’t always the best.


 

What is this thread about?

I'll give you a second

No?...Nothing?...Really?

 

Well it ain't about you

 

It's about a lower cost equivalent to STIHL's ultra expensive 'canned fuel'.

 

PERIOD!

 

To that end mister it may not be the best "way" but it is on task.

 

My equipment didn't run this well new.

It cost 75% less.

Keeps the equipment out of the shop and on the job.

I dump any unused fuel in the tank of anything on the property at seasons end. 

 

IF I only used my equipment enough to need but a quart of gas every three years...

I"d hire the job out.

 

I use more than a quart every four days during the summer.

 

I drain everything I wont use over the winter.

I need the fuel to not destroy my carburetor.

Last a month tops

Not break the bank

Protect

 

BINGO I have a mix that does that and shared it

So shoot me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Colossus]

I used the STIHL premix in my Crapsman (Craftsman) string trimmer this year and no issues thus far. 

[KARNUT]

I used the STIHL premix in my Crapsman (Craftsman) string trimmer this year and no issues thus far. 

I also introduced the idea of battery powered as an alternative. I didn’t shoot down the ops concoction, just added an alternative that’s worked well for me. Some people are just too sensitive.[emoji22]


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[OnTheReel]

Lots of different factors, mainly coming down to level of use. Battery tools are probably the best thing running right now for most people. Especially if you’re already in one of the big brand’s ecosystem with multiple tools and batteries (Dewalt, Craftsman, etc), AND you don’t use a leaf blower or weed whacker for hours each day.

The bare tools are no more expensive than the gas equivalents, require zero maintenance and no fuel. Batteries are somewhat expendable but last a lot longer than people think. I have some 2013 vintage Dewalt 20v lithium batteries that are still perfectly serviceable for most of my tools. Only thing they die too quick on is my reciprocating saw.

 

I have 2-smoke weed whackers and blowers I bought before lithium battery tools were as good as they are now. Use them to maintain two properties and still still rarely go through more than a quart can of Trufuel in a season. It’s not all that expensive to use in tools that see limited run time. 
 

Someone who runs their stuff a lot would be better off mixing but I don’t think anyone would argue against that. Seems pretty self evident.
 

Side note, I would have to drive 45 mins each way to get non-ethanol here. Some people would have to leave their states to get it.

[KARNUT]

Lots of different factors, mainly coming down to level of use. Battery tools are probably the best thing running right now for most people. Especially if you’re already in one of the big brand’s ecosystem with multiple tools and batteries (Dewalt, Craftsman, etc), AND you don’t use a leaf blower or weed whacker for hours each day.

The bare tools are no more expensive than the gas equivalents, require zero maintenance and no fuel. Batteries are somewhat expendable but last a lot longer than people think. I have some 2013 vintage Dewalt 20v lithium batteries that are still perfectly serviceable for most of my tools. Only thing they die too quick on is my reciprocating saw.
 
I have 2-smoke weed whackers and blowers I bought before lithium battery tools were as good as they are now. Use them to maintain two properties and still still rarely go through more than a quart can of Trufuel in a season. It’s not all that expensive to use in tools that see limited run time. 
 
Someone who runs their stuff a lot would be better off mixing but I don’t think anyone would argue against that. Seems pretty self evident.
 
Side note, I would have to drive 45 mins each way to get non-ethanol here. Some people would have to leave their states to get it.

You nailed it.


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[Black02Silverado]

AMSOIL's 2 cycle oil is what got me hooked on AMSOIL back in the early 90's when I had a Yamaha Wave Jammer.  My source for AMSOIL at the time was a friend who was a dealer.  He moved away and so for me to get it at the wholesale price I became and dealer and the rest is history.

 

I have a Kawasaki string trimmer that is 20yrs old and has been ran on AMSOIL's Saber 2 cycle oil at 100:1 since the day I got it.  Along with a 15yr old Stihl chain saw.  My Echo blower/vac is 8yrs old.  They all run on AMSOIL's Saber 2cycle mix at 100:1.  One mix for everything and no issues.  Matter of fact I don't drain the tanks and when I stop using them in Dec they fire right up in March when I need to get them back out.  The Saber 2 cycle mix has stabilizer already in it.

 

I also have been using the local 93 octane Exxon fuel.  To lazy to drive 15 miles to another town to get the ethanol free fuel.

 

I can see one purchasing the canned 2cycle fuel if they basically only use about a can or so a year.  But I go through some fuel with my 2 cycle stuff. 

[Grumpy Bear]

6 hours ago, KARNUT said:

I also introduced the idea of battery powered as an alternative. I didn’t shoot down the ops concoction, just added an alternative that’s worked well for me. Some people are just too sensitive.
 

Again not on point. Tell ya what. You want this thread bad enough to high jack it......

It's yours. 

 

Jacob can always go dig another well

 

[KARNUT]

Again not on point. Tell ya what. You want this thread bad enough to high jack it......

It's yours. 

 

Jacob can always go dig another well

 

[emoji2955]

Dude, look at the title of your thread.[emoji33]There’s cheaper pre-mixes available. You don’t have to dump it out or drain your equipment. Some of us discovered that battery powered has replaced low use or under use 2-stroke power. No one has said what you’re doing was wrong, geez man get a grip. Talk about grudges. Look in the mirror man. I promise if you start another thread, I’ll stay away. Maybe you should stipulate, only those who totally agree are permitted to reply.


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[BIGDOGx]

I agree it is over priced by a lot, but so isn't a small engine repair shop that will most likely be needed using regular pump fuel even with a stabilizer in it. Been using the stihl brand two cycle fuel for around 3-4 years now with my leaf blower, never have had a problem with it so far, starts usually on the second pull every time, Me personally that is worth the cost of it imo.

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[Grumpy Bear]

2 hours ago, BIGDOGx said:

I agree it is over priced by a lot, but so isn't a small engine repair shop that will most likely be needed using regular pump fuel even with a stabilizer in it. Been using the stihl brand two cycle fuel for around 3-4 years now with my leaf blower, never have had a problem with it so far, starts usually on the second pull every time, Me personally that is worth the cost of it imo.

I used it for two years trouble free.

Then started mixing my fuel own because of cost. 

The first batches I made used E-10 and that is when the problems started. 

Same mix I used in other brands of equipment without issue. 

That is when I found that the alcohol was killing the diaphragms.

Carburetors were not gumming up. The diaphragm just dissolved.

This is not a shelf life issue. It's a chemical compatibility issue.  

Switched to alcohol free fuel THEN switched from STIHL oil to AMSOIL

Solved the carburetor issues and cut cost 75%

Don't have to buy new equipment

 

There is nothing wrong with STIHL fuel except it cost over $35 a gallon. 

 

Want to pour your money down a rat hole? Have at.

I shared this for people that were looking for a fix that didn't include the budget of a small nation to cure. 

I shared this for people who wished not to toss otherwise good equipment to go four stroke or battery. 

 

Yea I toss my $300 machine to buy another machine so I don't have to mix my own fuel and save money. 

I don't have to understand it. It isn't my money.  Hey, do whatever you like.