Mobil 1 annual oil

[rjpoog1989]

I stumbled across this product at Walmart yesterday.

https://mobiloil.com/en/article/why-the-mobil-advantage/mobil-1-performance/mobil-1-annual-protection-long-lasting-oil?WT.mc_id=cpc_Google_Mobil-1-AP-Brand_Exact&WT.z_adgroup=General&WT.z_keyword=mobil-1-annual-protection&WT.tsrc=Paid-Search&WT.srch=1

I don't think I could run the same oil in my vehicles for 20k miles. My wife's car burns over a quart every 5k so in 20k she'd be out of oil. My Sierra doesn't burn any measurable amount, I change that around 10k with regular Mobil 1 synthetic. That lasts me almost a year anyway being I only drove the truck 12k last year. Is anyone running this new oil?

[Black02Silverado]

Back in the early 80's Mobil 1 stated the same thing on their bottles but stopped shortly after. AMSOIL which was the first company to produce an API synthetic back in 1972 has their Signature Series and is good for 25k or one year which ever comes first.

 

I have a few customers that put mileage on their vehicles fast so they use the Signature Series. They come in at 15k since that is when the oil filter that fits their application is good for mileage wise. They like that they are not changing their oil once a month if they did the 5k intervals.

 

I was wondering if Mobil 1 was going to come back out with this oil again.

[Cowpie]

While the oil may be capable of going that long doesn't mean it is wise to do so. Only multiple used oil analysis test can confirm. I have yet to see any oil that can go over 15K without being outside the guidelines of established oil industry standards in some way.

 

For instance, Total Acid Number (TAN) increases as Total Base Number (TBN) decreases. When the levels meet, the oil needs to be changed out or the acid level starts exceeding the oil additives ability to counter it. Without a TAN test, industry standards are when the TBN depletes to 1/3 the level it started out with. That usually will occur before M1 or Amsoil ever get to 20-25,000 miles in almost every application. But only a used oil analysis can show if that is the case. Without that, one is relying on marketing hype and possibly reducing the overall life of their engine. I don't like playing Russian Roulette.

 

Also the M1 annual stuff also includes a caveat, as does Amsoil's 25K mile stuff...... if the vehicle meets any condition that is considered severe service by the OEM, M1 and Amsoil reduce their oil change recommendation and warranty coverage considerably. Unless one is only using a vehicle for highway driving, most folks fall into some portion of the examples the OEM gives for severe service. I literally fit into every OEM brand's severe service category every time my vehicles leave my driveway.

 

Amsoil drops their oil change recommendation from 25K to 15K miles if severe service conditions are met. Here is a screen shot on oil change recommendation rom the product data sheet on M1 Annual stuff.......

 

 

 

Caveat Emptor especially applies when it comes to oil marketing stuff. And some of these folks really take liberties with their oil marketing tactics. That is why they have to do the fine print thing in their literature so they can get out of any liability if someone's engine grenades due to following these long term oil change intervals. Never trust the oil company claims or internet anecdotal arguments. Use sound, proven methodology if wanting to extend oil drains. Do engine oil sample testing and determine the maximum point the oil should be changed. Without that kind of testing, is is not wise to exceed the OEM recommendation. in warranty or not.

[dasimmon]

While the oil may be capable of going that long doesn't mean it is wise to do so. Only multiple used oil analysis test can confirm. I have yet to see any oil that can go over 15K without being outside the guidelines of established oil industry standards in some way.

 

For instance, Total Acid Number (TAN) increases as Total Base Number (TBN) decreases. When the levels meet, the oil needs to be changed out or the acid level starts exceeding the oil additives ability to counter it. Without a TAN test, industry standards are when the TBN depletes to 1/3 the level it started out with. That will occur before M1 or Amsoil ever get to 20-25,000 miles in almost every application. But only a used oil analysis can show if that is the case. Without that, one is relying on marketing hype and possibly reducing the overall life of their engine. I don't like playing Russian Roulette.

 

Also the M1 annual stuff also includes a caveat, as does Amsoil's 25K mile stuff...... if the vehicle meets any condition that is considered severe service by the OEM, M1 and Amsoil reduce their oil change recommendation and warranty coverage considerably. Unless one is only using a vehicle for highway driving, most folks fall into some portion of the examples the OEM gives for severe service.

 

Here is a screen shot on oil change recommendation rom the product data sheet on M1 Annual.......

 

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Caveat Emptor especially applies when it comes to oil marketing stuff. And some of these folks really take liberties with their oil marketing tactics. That is why they have to do the fine print thing in their literature so they can get out of any liability if someone's engine grenades due to following these long term oil change intervals. Never trust the oil company claims or internet anecdotal arguments. Use sound, proven methodology if wanting to extend oil drains. Do engine oil sample testing and determine the maximum point the oil should be changed. Without that kind of testing, is is not wise to exceed the OEM recommendation. in warranty or not.

You always got good info for me cowpie! Thanks!

[KARNUT]

In the 80s and 90s we were amsoil dealers and ran their oil in cars, trucks, heavy equipment we ran and sold. This includes hydraulic oil etc. we did the testing that went with it. Including hundreds of clearing equipment fleets of trucks and personal cars. Amsoil work as advertised and all analyses came back positive. To this day once I go past the warranty I go extended never a problem.

[barry G]

I remember mobil 1 showing up at the quick lube.. but that was by no means early 80s.

It was Early 90s.

 

anything with the wrong seals made no use of it. they were specific on some motors that failed with it.

 

in fact all smallblocks are designed to leak in 3 spots.. front, rear, old fuel pump boss. Prevented hydro locking oil, as that gains sludge.

the carbon oil fills in the holes.

mobil 1 opened it up into a geyser...nice and clean and slippery ... and drooling all over the ground.

 

 

I am glad they made an oil filter for it. that is by far the number one truck motor error.

I go with 7k mile mobil 1.. just for the 7 months of maine winter.

still cold outside, now getting another snowstorm.

 

I have the last smallblock, but it is metric, original seals are long gone by 1996. Mobil 1 is really nice.

20 below etc.

 

if you want to be extreme with your oil, go find a billet filter. Even the cheap oil can't chunk carbons through stainless mesh...

and the billet cooling it down at the same time.

 

I like a quart down every 1500-2k.Using less than that makes me wonder.

[Dnt]

I saw the new 20,000 mile Annual Mobil1 oil but it is around 50 bucks for the 5 quart container compared to around 25 bucks for the 15,000 mile Extended Mileage Mobil1. Right now it looks like they have it priced too high to be marketable. Filter was reasonable though at around 10 bucks.

I have heard that these new engines with the variable valve timing and cylinder deactivation depend upon clean fresh oil to make things work correctly and last..............

[Colossus]

I've heard the same. I wouldn't take the oil past 8000 miles myself in a gas motor. That's about the millage when the oil change light comes on.

[Cowpie]

These long intervals being promoted, I do that with my commercial diesels. Now, if we get the same thing with our gassers...... approx 3 quart of oil in the sump capacity for each liter of engine size... as we get with diesels, then I could see stretching drains out. It is quite practical to take drains in heavy commercial engines to 30,000 miles and way beyond, even up to 50,000 miles. But they have the oil capacity to make it work right. I am not comfortable with working a 6L engine for 20,000 miles on the same 1.5 gallons of oil. Now if the sump held 4 gallons of oil, I would consider it.

 

6 qts of oil is relatively cheap with rebates and sales. I feel no need to play "what if" games with expensive engines just to save a buck or two.

[ChevyMan2015]

There is a guy at BITOG that has sent this in for a VOA. I am watching the thread. Will be interesting to see the results.

[sdeeter19555]

There is a guy at BITOG that has sent this in for a VOA. I am watching the thread. Will be interesting to see the results.

Please post up the results, it would be interesting to see. (I was banned over there many years ago for having an opinion that didn't agree with the one moderator over there, it was about the time they changed hands and a slew of new moderators came in and banned a batch of people)

 

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[ChevyMan2015]

Please post up the results, it would be interesting to see. (I was banned over there many years ago for having an opinion that didn't agree with the one moderator over there, it was about the time they changed hands and a slew of new moderators came in and banned a batch of people)

 

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As soon as he posts the results, I will post them here.

[ChevyMan2015]

Here is the VOA on this oil. Doesn't look that impressive on paper. Doesn't look like a 20,000 mile OCI oil to me.

 

 

[Cowpie]

Kind of a big yawn as far as VOA samples go. I can find a lot of oils on the Petroleum Quality Institute of America website tests that exceed what is in this oil. Definitely not near worth the price I have heard others say they have seen this oil for. It sure wouldn't be my first choice to put in any engine I own. Thanks for getting the VOA and posting it.

[ChevyMan2015]

This oil runs $49 for 5qt jug and &12 a quart at Walmart. No way in hell I'd pay that much for this oil. I'll stick with Mobile 1 AFE or Quaker State Ultimate Durability. Incidentally, they also got rid of Mobil 1 Extended Performance Filters with the Extended Performance Gold color match and replaced them with Extended Performance with Annual Protection Green color match and say the filter will now do 20,000 mile OCI's as well. A cut open look at BITOG shows oddly spaced pleats, no synthetic media, and no change from the old filter to the new. I think Mobil is playing people big time with these two products.