2020 GM Diesel gets crushed

f8l vnm · January 25, 2020

https://www.tfltruck.com/2020/01/only-one-truck-crushes-it-2020-ford-f-350-vs-gmc-sierra-3500-hd-vs-the-worlds-toughest-towing-test-ike-gauntlet-video/

no surprise given its down on torque by 140ft lbs. really disappointed GM didn’t update this engine along with the new body. This is what sets the Ford and GM sales apart. Ford throws everything at their trucks while GM plays games.

redwngr · January 26, 2020

Fortunately I don't run the I70 through the Eisenhower Tunnel very often, and I never tow 30,000+....

but it makes interesting bench towing discussions.

Wbrisett · January 26, 2020

4 hours ago, redwngr said:

Fortunately I don't run the I70 through the Eisenhower Tunnel very often, and I never tow 30,000+....

There's a reason Mr. Truck is driving. In most states you need a CDL to haul that much. I don't know many folks who do. The couple I do know that have one, had to get it as part of some job requirement. My cousin has one, because he needs it for hauling horse trailers (wait, that's part of his job). .. .

FirstAscent · January 26, 2020

The Fords have some nice features for sure, and definitely more power. It would be nice if manufacturers were more competitive with each other instead of leaving so much on the table.

However, with that being said, for me personally I could never buy a Ford. They look like great trucks but the exterior styling of Fords just never did it for me and I know I'd never be happy with it haha. I actually really love the Chevy redesigns, I didn't like the previous gens but the new style is what got me to switch originally from Toyota. I have no regrets switching to Chevy, I just now wish they had all the Pro's of other manufacturers and not any of the Con's. I know not possible, but I can still wish it haha. That pano roof though, I at least want that!

I enjoy watching all the TFL vids and comparisons, even with all that extra power I wasn't expecting a whole minute quicker on the uphill tow, that's pretty impressive.

What are your thoughts on their downhill brake applications test? Do you think the Ford just does a better job managing the exhaust brake or something to do with having more torque, does that apply to more "braking" force from the exhaust brake?

I'm new to diesels so please excuse my ignorance

Colossus · January 26, 2020

Considering how many times the Duramax has blown the Ford AND Dodge out of the water, it was just a matter of time before the Duramax got beat. No big deal. The Duramax/Allison is still the best power train out there reliability wise.

ShotgunZ71 · January 26, 2020

31 minutes ago, Colossus said:

Considering how many times the Duramax has blown the Ford AND Dodge out of the water, it was just a matter of time before the Duramax got beat. No big deal. The Duramax/Allison is still the best power train out there reliability wise.

I agree. The fact that the new 6.6 gasser has outperformed the new 7.3 gasser in tests so far is good for business, too. Powertrain-wise, all the HD trucks have great choices.

FirstAscent · January 27, 2020

1 hour ago, Colossus said:

Considering how many times the Duramax has blown the Ford AND Dodge out of the water, it was just a matter of time before the Duramax got beat. No big deal. The Duramax/Allison is still the best power train out there reliability wise.

That's good to know! I haven't been following the HD trucks at all until a few weeks ago so am unaware of all the past history. But I'm definitely excited about the Duramax/Allison match up.

NWI Denali · January 27, 2020

Not really surprised at the Dmax time. More surprised the Powerstroke did that amazing. I think ford is seriously sandbagging on power and underrated. Tfl did a dyno vid with 5 star tuning and the 2020 Powerstroke put down 470/970 to the wheels . That truck is probably making 550/1100 at the crank!

AT4 HD Ron · January 27, 2020

Lots of good thoughts above! I'm not sure it got "crushed", and I think there are multiple reasons to still go with the GM truck that were not part of their testing.

I did just see the follow up they did comparing the GM 2500HD to a Ram 3500 dually on that same pass and the two were tied in all respects.

diyer2 · January 27, 2020

15 hours ago, Colossus said:

Considering how many times the Duramax has blown the Ford AND Dodge out of the water, it was just a matter of time before the Duramax got beat. No big deal. The Duramax/Allison is still the best power train out there reliability wise.

Agree

I did not watch the vid. Doesn't interest me.

Are we racing or towing?

BFD If I understand the Ford was 1 minute faster up the einsenhower.

I live in Colorado and have driven that road many times.

Speed is not my goal.

Reliability is number 1.

No matter what Ford builds, I won't own one.

Salsa De Piña · January 27, 2020

19 hours ago, FirstAscent said:

I actually really love the Chevy redesigns, I didn't like the previous gens but the new style is what got me to switch originally from Toyota.

I think you just might have a thing for ugly trucks.

Daverado · January 27, 2020

On 1/25/2020 at 12:08 PM, f8l vnm said:

https://www.tfltruck.com/2020/01/only-one-truck-crushes-it-2020-ford-f-350-vs-gmc-sierra-3500-hd-vs-the-worlds-toughest-towing-test-ike-gauntlet-video/

no surprise given its down on torque by 140ft lbs. really disappointed GM didn’t update this engine along with the new body. This is what sets the Ford and GM sales apart. Ford throws everything at their trucks while GM plays games.

It's a good strategy that BMW has been using for a long time. Don't ruin everything all at once. Stick with a proven reliable drivetrain in a new platform, then switch in a new/updated drivetrain later on in the cycle once the platform has the kinks worked out.

If you change everything all at once then your service techs have to deal with that many more teething issues and launching a real lemon can sink the whole company when it's your bread-and-butter vehicle.

Also a good reason to launch the high-$$$ SUVs following the trucks, so buyers paying that premium never experience the early platform issues truck buyers do.

4 hours ago, Salsa De Piña said:

I think you just might have a thing for ugly trucks.

lol I think I resemble that also. A lot of people thought my Isuzu VehiCROSS was pretty ugly.

carkhz316 · January 27, 2020

I agree. The fact that the new 6.6 gasser has outperformed the new 7.3 gasser in tests so far is good for business, too. Powertrain-wise, all the HD trucks have great choices.

OOoo. Where/ what have you been watching? I haven't seen much of anything pitting those two against eachother. Been looking for some.

ShotgunZ71 · January 27, 2020

2 hours ago, carkhz316 said:

OOoo. Where/ what have you been watching? I haven't seen much of anything pitting those two against eachother. Been looking for some.

No direct comparisons side by side yet, but TFL did a towing MPG loop and an empty MPG loop and the GM gas engine fared better in both, also with far more weight in it's test. It will be interesting to see how it does when the IKE video is released, considering how they bashed the GM for it's performance. I'm sure it will be a this one is better here, but this one here type of thing going forward, though. If the 6.6 outperforms the 7.3 in every test (which I doubt), that would make the 7.3 a complete failure. I had a 2017 Super Duty with the 6.2 and was quite satisfied with the engine performance, so I expect the 7.3 to be better than both in most situations.

NWI Denali · January 28, 2020

TFL released an extended, behind the scenes cut of the IKE Gauntlet runs. The Ford's transmission temperature was 235 degrees and the electric fan was cycling on and off the whole run. The GM Allison trans was running at 185.