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michelins.......will never buy a set of nittos

 

maybe BFG if i want slightly more aggressive tread

 

had 2 sets of michelins, a great tire only run them in snow once and was surprised how well they worked for not being that agressive of tread......in the rain one of best tires ive ever used...

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On 1/26/2022 at 11:34 PM, CamGTP said:

The Premier LTX are a very quiet tire aswell but have terrible tread life compared to the defender. I stopped counting the warranty adjustments for tires a long time ago. We were seeing Yukon's and Escalade's burning through tires in 25,000-30,000 miles.

25000-30000 it is on the low end but not too low. Where in MN? Just moved to Elk River/Otsego. And in need of tires the good year are finished at 45k miles

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On 1/26/2022 at 11:34 PM, CamGTP said:

The Premier LTX are a very quiet tire aswell but have terrible tread life compared to the defender. I stopped counting the warranty adjustments for tires a long time ago. We were seeing Yukon's and Escalade's burning through tires in 25,000-30,000 miles.

 

At risk of being laughed out of Dodge stating the obvious; are alignments ever checked on vehicles the eat tires at this sort of pace? Especially when such short lives are coupled to a specific vehicle platform? 

 

I had a Honda eat tires is such a manor Honda swore up and down was 'in spec'. That car taught me the difference between 'In Spec" and "Right". Turn out it was a design flaw that the inhouse attempt (new control arm lengths) to correct failed as badly as the first.(still too short) MOOG solved the issue by providing enough adjustment range to reach the entire spec not just one end of the extreme. As it turned out a spec that had been changed to fit poorly engineered parts so in spec was still wrong. [2006 Honda Civics] 

 

More times than not the tire is blamed for engineering defects, repair personnel "close enough I'm late for lunch" attitudes  or owner/operator inattention/ignorance/laziness. Point is that the tire has not idea what vehicle it's mounted on! 

 

I currently have a 2014 Terrain SLE-2 with all four wheels sitting at 0.9 degrees negative camber and guess what....it's in spec according to GM. This forces me to flip the tires on the rims about every forth rotation to get 'normal' mileage out of a set. Yea... NO camber adjustment provided in front and eccentrics that ARE available left out of the production build in the rear. 😱  

 

Tires that wear poorly are also noisy tires. Don't assume because it is in the GM spec it is RIGHT. 😉 

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11 hours ago, Moend said:

25000-30000 it is on the low end but not too low. Where in MN? Just moved to Elk River/Otsego. And in need of tires the good year are finished at 45k miles

I live in Rogers, like 7 miles from you.

 

Getting 45,000 from the OEM tires isn't bad. There are tons of options out there for tires, kinda comes down to what you want from the tire and how much you are willing to spend.

 

Michelin Defenders, BFG Trail Terrians, Toyo Open Country AT3's and Falken Wildpeaks are very popular trucks tires. Also the Cooper AT3 is very popular among truck owners here.

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7 hours ago, Grumpy Bear said:

 

At risk of being laughed out of Dodge stating the obvious; are alignments ever checked on vehicles the eat tires at this sort of pace? Especially when such short lives are coupled to a specific vehicle platform? 

 


 

I'm sure lots of the shops do check the alignment as part of the tire install process and or if the customer comes in and wonders why the tires are gone so soon. The tires have to be worn evenly to be covered anyway for the most part, the paperwork has a pretty in-depth process with lots of measurements in different places to make sure it wasn't a mechanical issue that took out the tires. Plus alot of the time the tire is never fully covered and is more of less a prorate coverage. Like they would give the customer half off a new set or more.

 

We don't deal with this much but I don't know exactly what some of these places do with vehicles that will chew through tires no matter what brand is put on. Like you said, if say it was a Audi, BMW or Porsche the vehicle manufacturer will say everything is fine and if the tires only last 30,000 miles that is just the way it is. There is nothing wrong the vehicle, the suspension geometry and handling were designed that way and there is nothing you can do about it. It would require that the alignment be done differently to make the tires wear less but that would also change how the vehicle handles.

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56 minutes ago, CamGTP said:

I'm sure lots of the shops do check the alignment as part of the tire install process and or if the customer comes in and wonders why the tires are gone so soon. The tires have to be worn evenly to be covered anyway for the most part, the paperwork has a pretty in-depth process with lots of measurements in different places to make sure it wasn't a mechanical issue that took out the tires. Plus alot of the time the tire is never fully covered and is more of less a prorate coverage. Like they would give the customer half off a new set or more.

 

We don't deal with this much but I don't know exactly what some of these places do with vehicles that will chew through tires no matter what brand is put on. Like you said, if say it was a Audi, BMW or Porsche the vehicle manufacturer will say everything is fine and if the tires only last 30,000 miles that is just the way it is. There is nothing wrong the vehicle, the suspension geometry and handling were designed that way and there is nothing you can do about it. It would require that the alignment be done differently to make the tires wear less but that would also change how the vehicle handles.

 

All good to know. But I'm betting a Yukon isn't factory set up for hot laps at Watkins Glen. :crackup:

 

Still, I get your point.  😉

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I vote for the Michelin Defenders I went from a 18 inch Good Year that came stock on my truck to a 20 inch Michelin Defender and it was a big improvement it has much better traction in wet and snow plus it is quieter and rides smother even though it would have a shorter sidewall.

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4 hours ago, CamGTP said:

I live in Rogers, like 7 miles from you.

 

Getting 45,000 from the OEM tires isn't bad. There are tons of options out there for tires, kinda comes down to what you want from the tire and how much you are willing to spend.

 

Michelin Defenders, BFG Trail Terrians, Toyo Open Country AT3's and Falken Wildpeaks are very popular trucks tires. Also the Cooper AT3 is very popular among truck owners here.

Nice. I sometimes take Rogers exit on 101 on my way home.

I seen on Walmart website coopers that are priced good 185 dollars a puppy

I want something good on ice and soft ride for the highway, i don't offroad at all unless you consider section line offroading and I tow a fishing boat that weighs 3500lbs at the most.

 

What are your thoughts.

 

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4 hours ago, Moend said:

Nice. I sometimes take Rogers exit on 101 on my way home.

I seen on Walmart website coopers that are priced good 185 dollars a puppy

I want something good on ice and soft ride for the highway, i don't offroad at all unless you consider section line offroading and I tow a fishing boat that weighs 3500lbs at the most.

 

What are your thoughts.

 

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Defenders will go everywhere that tire does and still outperform it on the highway and in the rain.

 

 

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My 2 cents.

Like many have had a lot of different tires, for a truck and a car. Our Hyundai Santa Fe has Michelin Defender LTX M/S on it. First time I have had this tire. A little noisy on dry roads but great performance wet and snow. Will be my fav tire now. Yes expensive, but the performance is hard to beat. 

This tire is well suited for our use, rural mountains. City Michelin Primacy? 

 

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2 hours ago, diyer2 said:

My 2 cents.

Like many have had a lot of different tires, for a truck and a car. Our Hyundai Santa Fe has Michelin Defender LTX M/S on it. First time I have had this tire. A little noisy on dry roads but great performance wet and snow. Will be my fav tire now. Yes expensive, but the performance is hard to beat. 

This tire is well suited for our use, rural mountains. City Michelin Primacy? 

 

I’ll backup your opinion.
I’m “babysitting” a 2001 F250 SD power stroke 7.3 this winter and there’s no room in the garage. It has wornout Michelins and I don’t have a snow remover besides shovel or neighbor who charges to blow snow. So yesterday decided to test this tank in 15-18” snow that’s frozen a few times. It didn’t want to turn but ot plows pretty good. 🥶

 

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I had the Michelin LTX M/S2 on my 2002 and got 75k out  them.  Ran great and quiet.  To me they handles all weather conditions and did great in snow. 

 

The Michelin Defenders I think is the newer version and look basically the same, but I'm sure there are some improvements.  You can't go wrong with them that is for sure.

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