Rear window leak

mistaare · January 12, 2020

2020’s too!!! MOTHER TRUCKER!!!!

ok, I know I’m grasping at straws here,,,, is it a frame flexing or could it a cab/window frame defect???

i usually keep vehicles 10+ years and those are well used, driven hard 10 years and was hoping to do the same with this one.... dammit:

econometrics · January 12, 2020

52 minutes ago, mistaare said:

2020’s too!!! MOTHER TRUCKER!!!!

ok, I know I’m grasping at straws here,,,, is it a frame flexing or could it a cab/window frame defect???

i usually keep vehicles 10+ years and those are well used, driven hard 10 years and was hoping to do the same with this one.... dammit:

When speculating that it’s a frame flexing issue, I believe most of us are saying the cab frame is flexing. Not the main frame itself.

Because GM shaved off a lot of weight on these trucks, it could be easy to believe it’s resulting in less tense and strong body frames.

The rear window is a giant space, so it wouldn’t take much flexing to cause the seals on that window to start loosening.

Cpl_Punishment · January 12, 2020

8 hours ago, JohnCasey said:

That exact Vitro window has been used for the last 6 years. Earlier this week I would buy a factory new window on Amazon. It was listed for 2014-2018chevy and gmc

5 hours ago, bdsilverado said:

These new trucks have that much body flex?

If it was the same part used as the last body style and it worked on those but doesnt on these that is weird.

So everything else on the T1s has been completely redesigned from the K2s, including the windshield and the bed, but you guys think the rear window is the same? I find that hard to believe.

Centrebaseball · January 12, 2020

1 hour ago, mistaare said:

If it’s body flex, wonder how many of the people that have experienced a leak use there truck for just a DD with mild driving conditions?

You are describing me.

daily driver for me around town, the most I’ve done is load some bags of mulch in the back to landscape the yard.

I’ve definitely had My fair share of people stop me and ask about that kick ass tailgate though.

Edited January 12, 2020 by Centrebaseball

ShamrockShooter · January 12, 2020

I originally posted in Feb 2019. I live in So Cal so we don’t get much rain. Purchased AT4 in November 2018. Leak in Feb 2019 in corners of rear window, my dealer had truck for about 5 days and replaced window. No issues until Xmas 2019, rear window leaking in middle after a heavy rain. Dealer took truck from 12/24 until 12/30. They replaced window again. We’ve had some small rain since, but I haven’t had any leaks yet. I really do like the feel of truck, but am debating on getting rid of it. Is this going to be a yearly thing every winter? How long will they keep replacing window at no cost? Both times they have given me a loaner Yukon so I can’t complain about that, but why does my $50K truck leak? It’s definitely an inconvenience to me and my family as this last leak was discovered the day before we were driving out of town for the holiday.

Sorry you had to go through that twice. Do you know if their were cracks in the plastic upper rail glass guide of the second window? That would be a smoking gun that for sure the body is flexing and cracking the plastic frame.

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OnTheReel · January 12, 2020

1 hour ago, econometrics said:

When speculating that it’s a frame flexing issue, I believe most of us are saying the cab frame is flexing. Not the main frame itself.

Because GM shaved off a lot of weight on these trucks, it could be easy to believe it’s resulting in less tense and strong body frames.

The rear window is a giant space, so it wouldn’t take much flexing to cause the seals on that window to start loosening.

Correct, but being bolted to one another, if the chassis flexes more on the half ton, that flex would then be transferred through the cab right? Since the LD & HD share a cab (and almost nothing else), if the HD proves to be not as leak prone, that would maybe indicate the chassis flex is the main issue, not the cab. I dunno, this is all above my pay grade, but I think we are doing better than GM’s engineering staff.

I think either way, if this was solvable by simply beefing up the window frame itself, that would have already been done. Theoretically it would be quicker and easier to redesign the window than the cab or the frame. I dunno but GM is literally going broke fixing all these damn trucks in the meantime.

Robotaz · January 12, 2020

I came out to my truck today and the driver seat has spots all over it. Apparently water came in and now the seat is stained for whatever reason. 1500 miles and I need my seat shampooed already. Frustrating.

OhioSpartan · January 12, 2020

2 quick questions for those who been through the lemon law process. I am staring at 9 nonconformance (issues) already which may qualify me for lemon law depending on how each one is defined. In Ohio we need 30 days out of service OR 4 failed repairs for one non-conformance OR 8 non-conformances that require repairs. I am staring that the 3rd one - 8 different issues. I may get to 30 days though too if I choose to refuse to take possession of the truck from the dealer until all parts are in and fixed.

Issue 1 was window frame replacement. Issue 2 and 3 were 2 improperly installed pressure vents - 2 of them, so 2 independent issues. Issue 4 is failing tailgate strut being replaced.

1) Does anyone know if damage caused by the dealer during repairs counts as a nonconformance towards lemon law?

During repair they scratched the spoiler (replacing) and badly scratched the trim pieces on both passenger and driver side below the rear side airbags (both will be replaced). That's 3 new issues so we're up to 7.

2) The water from the leak damaged the headliner (steamed but didn't work and then they damaged the headliner during reinstall so need replacement) and video processing unit (replaced). They may claim those are all one issue tied to the damaged window frame. Those are issues 8 and 9 if they count independent of the window frame issue.

I know I may need to talk to a lawyer but curious if anyone has experience with this here.

ShamrockShooter · January 12, 2020

2 quick questions for those who been through the lemon law process. I am staring at 9 nonconformance (issues) already which may qualify me for lemon law depending on how each one is defined. In Ohio we need 30 days out of service OR 4 failed repairs for one non-conformance OR 8 non-conformances that require repairs. I am staring that the 3rd one - 8 different issues. I may get to 30 days though too if I choose to refuse to take possession of the truck from the dealer until all parts are in and fixed.

Issue 1 was window frame replacement. Issue 2 and 3 were 2 improperly installed pressure vents - 2 of them, so 2 independent issues. Issue 4 is failing tailgate strut being replaced.

1) Does anyone know if damage caused by the dealer during repairs counts as a nonconformance towards lemon law?
During repair they scratched the spoiler (replacing) and badly scratched the trim pieces on both passenger and driver side below the rear side airbags (both will be replaced). That's 3 new issues so we're up to 7.

2) The water from the leak damaged the headliner (steamed but didn't work and then they damaged the headliner during reinstall so need replacement) and video processing unit (replaced). They may claim those are all one issue tied to the damaged window frame. Those are issues 8 and 9 if they count independent of the window frame issue.

I know I may need to talk to a lawyer but curious if anyone has experience with this here.

Most states and AAA also have an arbitration program if you don't want to go through a lawyer. If you want another Chevy truck, pushing for a buyback repurchase is your best bet.

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UGADawgs · January 12, 2020

I am doubting body flex since this is just a daily driver at this point with my fat ass using this truck as a grocery getter and a few road trips. This truck hasn't been off pavement other than a campground gravel road. If that causes body flex, then going off road would crack the front windshield. Does anyone think Tim Herrick is on top of this issue?

JohnCasey · January 12, 2020

2 hours ago, Cpl_Punishment said:

So everything else on the T1s has been completely redesigned from the K2s, including the windshield and the bed, but you guys think the rear window is the same? I find that hard to believe.

I typed in the exact number from the picture on my phone and amazon came up with the 2014-2018.

Cpl_Punishment · January 13, 2020

43 minutes ago, JohnCasey said:

I typed in the exact number from the picture on my phone and amazon came up with the 2014-2018.

Interesting.

Brileavi · January 13, 2020

1 hour ago, UGADawgs said:

I am doubting body flex since this is just a daily driver at this point with my fat ass using this truck as a grocery getter and a few road trips. This truck hasn't been off pavement other than a campground gravel road. If that causes body flex, then going off road would crack the front windshield. Does anyone think Tim Herrick is on top of this issue?

+1 I had the rear window fixed so far everything is good no other issues

Edited January 13, 2020 by Brileavi

mistaare · January 13, 2020

If it is body flex.... just curious, would/could

this mean a potential class action lawsuit?

Centrebaseball · January 13, 2020

What’s a class action going to do? Everyone gets a check for 500? Just curious, never thought about what people actually get out of those things. Other than lawyers make a ton of money.