6.0 gas engine

[SierraHD17]

1 hour ago, sdeeter19555 said:

I run e85 for the same reason I run 93: it runs better in my 6.0l than 87.

Steve
2012 2500hd
 

With as little ignition timing as your truck will have it won't be detonating on 87 stock.  On e85 it might get a bit more but like I said I don't look at the alcohol stuff because they don't sell it here.  Premium made jack squat on mine until I tuned it.. now it has piles of knock on 87 lol. 

[sdeeter19555]

With as little ignition timing as your truck will have it won't be detonating on 87 stock.  On e85 it might get a bit more but like I said I don't look at the alcohol stuff because they don't sell it here.  Premium made jack squat on mine until I tuned it.. now it has piles of knock on 87 lol. 

I'm not arguing that, only that my truck runs noticeably better on 93 and e85 than 87.

Steve
2012 2500hd 6.0l

[SierraHD17]

Carbon build up from driving old man style makes them run better on higher octane too as it resists ignition from hotspots lol.

[redwngr]

2 hours ago, sdeeter19555 said:

Forcing its use is to reduce emissions and dependency, it is classic "regulation forcing technology" mentality of EPA.

Steve
2012 2500hd
 

Or maybe the politicians mandating use paying back for campaign contributions and votes. 

 

As cowpie points out, it can also make economic sense ($ per mile) to run ethanol, depending on the price difference -- which depends on how it is taxed/priced in a particular area.  

 

 

[Cowpie]

8 hours ago, paracutin said:

There is a lot of good info provided here.  Can you provide links to your sources?  I'd like to learn more.
 

From my perspective,  human consumption includes animal feed and edible plastics.  We "consume" those items.  Having approximately 33% of grain used to make ethanol returned to the food supply chain is a good thing.
 

As for subsidies, hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars are still being spent to subsidize ethanol and other bio-fuels.  While the majority are no longer being paid to the "industry" directly, we, as taxpayers, are still supporting bio-fuels.  Same goes for wind and solar, if the market can't or won't support it then it's not ready for prime time and there is more work to be done to make it profitable. 

https://www.taxpayer.net/energy-natural-resources/federal-subsidies-for-corn-ethanol-and-other-corn-based-biofuels/

 

Other uses for corn ethanol bi-products... 

Spark plug insulators are made primarily from ceramic and the formulas are proprietary.  I have found evidence where the insulator molds are made from a corn based material but not the insulators themselves. 

http://www.madehow.com/Volume-1/Spark-Plug.html

Your link on the taxpayer site is littered with falsehoods also.  I did assert that there have been and still are subsidies for blender pumps.  Go back and read my original post.  But those are to retailers.   Ethanol producers and the corn lobby do not market their product at the retail level.  it is traded on the commodity exchange like any other fuel.

 

A tax credit is not a subsidy.  To assume that it is exhibits a socialist mindset that every thing belongs to the government and people are granted the privilege of keeping some of what they earn and the government gives it back to them.  A tax credit is simply a reduction of taxes that need to be paid on income.  Ok, let's take away those tax credits. But lets also take away the child and dependent care tax credit for individuals and the myriads of other tax deductions and credits.     The public school system and the political class has done a  stellar job in selling the idea that any reduction in the amount of taxes a person or company has to pay is thereby a subsidy, and essentially theft of taxpayer money.    A subsidy, by definition, is a transfer of money or other tangible property from one entity to another.  A tax credit is not that.

 

Regarding corn and spark plugs.......

 

http://www.farms.com/ag-industry-news/10-things-made-with-corn/7

[TRKLGND]

Your link on the taxpayer site is littered with falsehoods also.  I did assert that there have been and still are subsidies for blender pumps.  Go back and read my original post.  But those are to retailers.   Ethanol producers and the corn lobby do not market their product at the retail level.  it is traded on the commodity exchange like any other fuel.
 
A tax credit is not a subsidy.  To assume that it is exhibits a socialist mindset that every thing belongs to the government and people are granted the privilege of keeping some of what they earn and the government gives it back to them.  A tax credit is simply a reduction of taxes that need to be paid on income.  Ok, let's take away those tax credits. But lets also take away the child and dependent care tax credit for individuals and the myriads of other tax deductions and credits.     The public school system and the political class has done a  stellar job in selling the idea that any reduction in the amount of taxes a person or company has to pay is thereby a subsidy, and essentially theft of taxpayer money.    A subsidy, by definition, is a transfer of money or other tangible property from one entity to another.  A tax credit is not that.
 
Regarding corn and spark plugs.......
 
http://www.farms.com/ag-industry-news/10-things-made-with-corn/7

Karl Marx and Saul Alinsky were great men!

By the way, that was a joke you pretentious ass. Nice thread hijack btw.

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[Cowpie]

Ouch!  

[i82much]

I have no idea where this is going, but I absolutely despise liberals and I like to bring it up every chance I get.  

[4wdriver]

6 minutes ago, i82much said:

I have no idea where this is going, but I absolutely despise liberals and I like to bring it up every chance I get.  

I’m very curious about others ideals and ways of life. I tend to live my own way and don’t identify with labels I’m me not liberal or conservative or any particular group. Try tolerance instead of despising others , probably why there is so much division and hate in our country. Live and let live!

[gearheadesw]

Our Country is more divided now than it has ever been. Yea politicians.

[rocnrol]

I run e85 for the same reason I run 93: it runs better in my 6.0l than 87.

Steve
2012 2500hd

Your truck was knocking on 87?

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[sdeeter19555]

Your truck was knocking on 87?

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I never said that, only that it runs noticeably better on e85 and 93 than it does on 87.

Steve
2012 2500hd

[rocnrol]

I never said that, only that it runs noticeably better on e85 and 93 than it does on 87.

Steve
2012 2500hd

Ok[emoji849]

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[magnum74]

One of my fuel ups this week (Edmonton Canada region) 87 octane was  $1.049/liter and diesel was $1.299/liter. This equals $34 per tank difference. No real point here other than to continue to be thankful that I can load my 6.0 without a care in the world about fuel economy and servicing even if a Duramax hands me my ass on long grade. For what it is, it's cheap to run, cheap to service and is not likely to spend time in the shop for sensors or emission  issues. I love diesel power but now that I'm older and wiser I can see the other side. 

 

For reference, the 25 cent difference is extreme but 87 is usually a between 5-15 cents cheaper here. Diesel does get a bit cheaper (maybe 5 cents at the most) a few times per year but it's the exception and not the norm. 

 

What I wouldn't give for a 8.0 Vortec/10-speed option in 2020. A guy can dream, anyway. 

[2016HD]

2 hours ago, magnum74 said:

One of my fuel ups this week (Edmonton Canada region) 87 octane was  $1.049/liter and diesel was $1.299/liter. This equals $34 per tank difference. No real point here other than to continue to be thankful that I can load my 6.0 without a care about in the world about fuel economy and servicing even if a Duramax hands me my ass on long grade. For what it is, it's cheap to run, cheap to service and is not likely to spend time in the shop for sensors or emission  issues. I love diesel power but now that I'm older and wiser I can see the other side. 

 

For reference, the 25 cent difference is extreme but 87 is usually a between 5-15 cents cheaper here. Diesel does get a bit cheaper (maybe 5 cents at the most) a few times per year but it's the exception and not the norm. 

 

What I wouldn't give for a 8.0 Vortec/10-speed option in 2020. A guy can dream, anyway. 

My thoughts exactly!! You must have read my Mind. LOL