Rear window leak

[19TrailBoss]

I've had tons of problems with the gm one in my sierra, goes black, changes volume, plays multiple sources at the same time and wont let me change anything. There are problems with uconnect for sure, but probably not any worse than the gm/chevy. Honestly I think its just luck if you get one from either company that actually works right.

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True, which is why I'm leaning towards Toyota or Nissan for my next truck, if I can get outta my leaky lemon without losing my ads...

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[RadoPhan]

True, which is why I'm leaning towards Toyota or Nissan for my next truck, if I can get outta my leaky lemon without losing my ads...

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FYI I just came from a 2016 Tacoma and it had a leaky rear too. If you google it you will see it. I had to repair it on my own since it was out of warranty. Every company will have some issues when it’s in the 1st and 2nd year of the newer generation. I’m sure if you wait until next year they’ll have it figured out.


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[Memphis87]

2 hours ago, RadoPhan said:

What about one with a solid rear window since it seems like there’s no issues


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Yea I’ve only seen like 2 people with a solid window complain on the forum, but finding a solid window is almost impossible it seems like.

[RadoPhan]

Yea I’ve only seen like 2 people with a solid window complain on the forum, but finding a solid window is almost impossible it seems like.

Yeah I wanted the solid window since all my last trucks I’ve had I’ve never once opened the rear slider. So I got lucky and found one.


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[Mikedfw]

FYI I just came from a 2016 Tacoma and it had a leaky rear too. If you google it you will see it. I had to repair it on my own since it was out of warranty. Every company will have some issues when it’s in the 1st and 2nd year of the newer generation. I’m sure if you wait until next year they’ll have it figured out.


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This is true, but in general, Toyota's have way fewer problems, that's why people buy them. Personally, I would go for a tundra myself, if they weren't just so outdated, they needed to be redesigned years ago and still have another year or two for a new version.

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[19TrailBoss]

This is true, but in general, Toyota's have way fewer problems, that's why people buy them. Personally, I would go for a tundra myself, if they weren't just so outdated, they needed to be redesigned years ago and still have another year or two for a new version.

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That's exactly why I didn't get the tundra when I was first shopping, but in 2020 they added push button start and heated seats to the TRD pro.

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[RadoPhan]

This is true, but in general, Toyota's have way fewer problems, that's why people buy them. Personally, I would go for a tundra myself, if they weren't just so outdated, they needed to be redesigned years ago and still have another year or two for a new version.

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Yeah that’s why they hold their value. I’ve had 5 Toyota SUV/Trucks in the past and loved them all. But to your point they are outdated. If they had a newer version of the Tundra with the same tech options as the Silverado I would’ve bought that instead but they are a few years away and I needed a full sized truck now.


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[Smitty]

On 4/12/2020 at 4:02 PM, RadoPhan said:

Yeah that’s why they hold their value. I’ve had 5 Toyota SUV/Trucks in the past and loved them all. But to your point they are outdated. If they had a newer version of the Tundra with the same tech options as the Silverado I would’ve bought that instead but they are a few years away and I needed a full sized truck now.


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The only reason Toyota is so reliable is because they don't update their trucks for a LONG time.  Just wait, when they play catch up with all of the big boys they will have issues also.   I refuse to pay Toyota prices for outdated and under powered trucks.   Toyota makes a good product in general but they aren't worth the money they are asking.   

[Smitty]

So after getting my rear window sealed and my headliner taken out via the front windshield and being replaced, the sensor for tracking your lane changes doesn't work anymore.  I can't hit the button to turn it on \ off and it's just dead.  I'm guessing this is because they didn't calibrate it after the replacement?   Does anyone have any info on this by chance?

 

I dread taking my truck back into the dealer again, 35 days was enough! 

 

Thanks in advance... 

 

Smitty

[RadoPhan]

The only reason Toyota is so reliable is because they don't update their trucks for a LONG time.  Just wait, when they play catch up with all of the big boys they will have issues also.   I refuse to pay Toyota prices for outdated and under powered trucks.   Toyota makes a good product in general but they aren't worth the money they are asking.   

Yeah I totally agree with the prices on the Toyotas. I’m fortunate enough to to have a family member that’s the GM of a dealership and I get pretty decent deals. That’s why I bought the Tacoma since I trust the reliability with it off-roading and I knew at the time I was going to invest in building the suspension. Literally a brand new limited Tundra with all the bells and whistles for 5K less out the door than what I paid for my LT TB that doesn’t have that many upgrades. But it was just way to outdated so I passed on it.


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[Cpl_Punishment]

I bought my Tundra for $45k CAD at a time when a GM with all the features I wanted would have been north of $60k. As for power, the 5.7 has more horsepower and torque than the 5.3 and no GM is available with a 4.30 rear end. But I admit that fancy features hold no appeal for me. 

[Thomcat]

On 3/27/2020 at 11:49 PM, disneybaker said:

Is there a known percentage of how many leak?


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Nothing published but disregarding actual multiple posts and exaggerating that each one is a unique complaint at about 15/page on each of 130 pages amounts to about 2000 complaints..seems most of US and Canadian owners with leaker complaints do find there way here...and further exaggerating that there are ten unknown complaints for each posted entry gives you a total 20,000 leakers.......compared against a total combined US and Canadian production of Silverados and Sierras of 915,707 units for 2019........gives a defect rate of 2/100s of 1 % not really statistically significant unless you happen to have one.

 

Wouldn't base my selection of a GM truck on anything read in this post. An engineering defect would affect all units; they don't come out of the box as leakers.....something done aftermarket causes it...otherwise they would all leak, and they do not.

 

e.g. Take it to the dealer for a popping noise on the spoiler and they screw with it removing spoiler tightening fasteners, and all of a sudden you have a leak.

        Have the auto defrost turned on for the rear window grid on a hot day, no thermostat only a timer expand the glass and crack the plastic frame or compromise the sealant.

        Take it to a carwash and blast with 300 mph air and compromise the sealant on the window or fastener gaskets on the spoiler leaking onto the headliner

        Take to carwash on a freezing day to get off the salt  and water trapped between window and spoiler freezes and cracks the frame at a weak point., etc

 

No automated carwash for me and turned off that auto defog on rear window and after one year of outside storage and numerous thunderstorm it's still dry as a bone.....tired of even checking after each downpour.........and no dealer is going to screw with it either.

 

[hotrodz37]

Nothing published but disregarding actual multiple posts and exaggerating that each one is a unique complaint at about 15/page on each of 130 pages amounts to about 2000 complaints..seems most of US and Canadian owners with leaker complaints do find there way here...and further exaggerating that there are ten unknown complaints for each posted entry gives you a total 20,000 leakers.......compared against a total combined US and Canadian production of Silverados and Sierras of 915,707 units for 2019........gives a defect rate of 2/100s of 1 % not really statistically significant unless you happen to have one.
 
Wouldn't base my selection of a GM truck on anything read in this post. An engineering defect would affect all units; they don't come out of the box as leakers.....something done aftermarket causes it...otherwise they would all leak, and they do not.
 
e.g. Take it to the dealer for a popping noise on the spoiler and they screw with it removing spoiler tightening fasteners, and all of a sudden you have a leak.
        Have the auto defrost turned on for the rear window grid on a hot day, no thermostat only a timer expand the glass and crack the plastic frame or compromise the sealant.
        Take it to a carwash and blast with 300 mph air and compromise the sealant on the window or fastener gaskets on the spoiler leaking onto the headliner
        Take to carwash on a freezing day to get off the salt  and water trapped between window and spoiler freezes and cracks the frame at a weak point., etc
 
No automated carwash for me and turned off that auto defog on rear window and after one year of outside storage and numerous thunderstorm it's still dry as a bone.....tired of even checking after each downpour.........and no dealer is going to screw with it either.
 

Thomcat, all great points. Mine started leaking not long after I got it, hadn’t even washed it yet or had the dealer touch it.

Curious what window number you have? Virto or Fayo E#?

I looked at a new 2029 AT4 today thinking of getting out of my 2019 Denali and it has the same window as my leaker. Virto E9. Not sure if that new one would leak or not but sure don’t want to take a chance with it being the same one.


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[OnTheReel]

Even if, and I don’t subscribe to this belief, but even if using the defroster on a warm day or using an automatic wash causes a leak, how is that NOT a design defect?!? 
 

As I’ve said before...you cannot mass produce any vehicle, let alone a pickup truck, with the intent that it must be exclusively hand washed, and that you mustn’t use the automatic climate control, even though it comes with it and is programmed by the same people who designed the truck. Thanks for the laugh though.

[bdsilverado]

1 hour ago, Thomcat said:

Nothing published but disregarding actual multiple posts and exaggerating that each one is a unique complaint at about 15/page on each of 130 pages amounts to about 2000 complaints..seems most of US and Canadian owners with leaker complaints do find there way here...and further exaggerating that there are ten unknown complaints for each posted entry gives you a total 20,000 leakers.......compared against a total combined US and Canadian production of Silverados and Sierras of 915,707 units for 2019........gives a defect rate of 2/100s of 1 % not really statistically significant unless you happen to have one.

 

Wouldn't base my selection of a GM truck on anything read in this post. An engineering defect would affect all units; they don't come out of the box as leakers.....something done aftermarket causes it...otherwise they would all leak, and they do not.

 

e.g. Take it to the dealer for a popping noise on the spoiler and they screw with it removing spoiler tightening fasteners, and all of a sudden you have a leak.

        Have the auto defrost turned on for the rear window grid on a hot day, no thermostat only a timer expand the glass and crack the plastic frame or compromise the sealant.

        Take it to a carwash and blast with 300 mph air and compromise the sealant on the window or fastener gaskets on the spoiler leaking onto the headliner

        Take to carwash on a freezing day to get off the salt  and water trapped between window and spoiler freezes and cracks the frame at a weak point., etc

 

No automated carwash for me and turned off that auto defog on rear window and after one year of outside storage and numerous thunderstorm it's still dry as a bone.....tired of even checking after each downpour.........and no dealer is going to screw with it either.

 

Completely agree and I follow the same steps.