Am I getting a good deal?

[Doolin-Dalton]

3 hours ago, Cpl_Punishment said:

I agree with your comments on 4x4 but, given that the Custom is a much lower end truck than the RST (in terms of interior features), I don't really think you can compare OP's deal to yours. 

Thanks Rosy, to clarify it's not a comparison, just an example of the discounts (intention is to illustrate that these discounts are available on a multitude of models and configurations, not just that one he is being offered for a 2WD RST.)  The real question as you agreed with, is it a good idea for OP to get 2WD?  He might be in a place where no one want's 2WD.  Some locations it's just fine, and folks never likely to use their 4x4.

 

Generally speaking, a great many of the models (Custom, RST, LT, LTZ) of the trucks are marketed near 25% discount at various times throughout the sales cycle. My Custom MSRP was $46,060 as optioned.  The final price of the truck was $36,000 TTL or 22% Off.  With $1500 sales tax was $37,500 OTD.   Interior is definitely plane jane, but that $36,000 includes:

 

V8 5.3L  TRAIL BOSS

4WD with 4 LOW and GU80 Locking Diff, 2 SPD Transfer Case, Trailering Package, Hill Descent Control

Z71 Skid Plates, Rancho Shocks, 2-inch Factory Lift Kit

Infotainment Package with Sirius XM,  Apple Car Play for use with Navigation (i.e. Google Maps)  WiFi, Bluetooth

Convenience Package with Electronic Tailgate, LED Bed Lights, Remote Start

Off-Road Appearance Package (Tonneau Cover, Off Road Side Steps, Sport Bar)

Pretty much power everything (doors, mirrors, locks, cruise control, etc)

Gloss Black Spoke Wheels w/Goodyear Mud Tires

Dual Exhaust w/Chrome Tip Outlets integrated into rear bumper

 

 

 

 

 

 

[L86 All Terrain]

That's a great deal. They want $75,000CAD less a $5000 discount in Canada for a SLT AT4. I was out the door for $37,000 on my 2010 SLT All Terrain and $50,000 OTD on my 2015 SLT AT. Pretty insane price jumps over the last two model lines with minimal improvements and half the reliability as the GMT900's. I am sure I will be dumb enough to buy another one this summer. Can't work on them yourself anymore so trade before warranty is done. 

[It's Tim]

16 hours ago, Ralph Ciardullo said:

Across the border we get hit with 15%. I cry when I see what you guys pay for a new truck which is why I can only afford used.

New or used it's always best to pay cash, no need to worry about those silly payments, just drive and enjoy.

[It's Tim]

1 hour ago, Doolin-Dalton said:

Thanks Rosy, to clarify it's not a comparison, just an example of the discounts (intention is to illustrate that these discounts are available on a multitude of models and configurations, not just that one he is being offered for a 2WD RST.)  The real question as you agreed with, is it a good idea for OP to get 2WD?  He might be in a place where no one want's 2WD.  Some locations it's just fine, and folks never likely to use their 4x4.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RWD trucks are a very hard sell except to the work truck / commercial crowd.

[greco2003]

55 minutes ago, It's Tim said:

RWD trucks are a very hard sell except to the work truck / commercial crowd.

And those statistics come from where?? I see way more 2wd trucks on the road then 4 wheel drive personal vehicles not counting stripped down work truck models. Also depends where you live live in the mountains or where there’s a lot of snow i can see the 4wd models being more popular.

[Cpl_Punishment]

1 hour ago, greco2003 said:

And those statistics come from where?? I see way more 2wd trucks on the road then 4 wheel drive personal vehicles not counting stripped down work truck models. Also depends where you live live in the mountains or where there’s a lot of snow i can see the 4wd models being more popular.

Definitely depends on where you live. The folks around here who buy 2WD trucks generally get mocked. 

[Doolin-Dalton]

3 hours ago, greco2003 said:

And those statistics come from where?? I see way more 2wd trucks on the road then 4 wheel drive personal vehicles not counting stripped down work truck models. Also depends where you live live in the mountains or where there’s a lot of snow i can see the 4wd models being more popular.

You see them in Texas, not in Virginia.  Texas is flat and dry most of the year, very little snow if any at all.  

 

Virginia, Washington, Oregon, Utah, New Mexico, Arizona, North Carolina, Colorado, these are 4WD States. 

[greco2003]

59 minutes ago, Doolin-Dalton said:

You see them in Texas, not in Virginia.  Texas is flat and dry most of the year, very little snow if any at all.  

 

Virginia, Washington, Oregon, Utah, New Mexico, Arizona, North Carolina, Colorado, these are 4WD States. 

There’s a lot of 4wd here in Texas too several 4wd parks in the Dfw area. I was just saying to call a rwd truck a fleet truck with low resale value isn’t accurate.

[greco2003]

On topic I think that is a good deal. 

[Jorge18]

Thanks for all the replies. I felt like it was a good deal so I just wanted to make sure I wasn't just in love with the truck and was getting hosed lol. Now I have to wait for the damn truck to arrive to the dealership. It was supposed to be there last Friday, but it's still not there. 

 

Regarding the 4x4, I live in Florida so it's definitely not necessary. 

[It's Tim]

19 hours ago, Cpl_Punishment said:

Definitely depends on where you live. The folks around here who buy 2WD trucks generally get mocked. 

I wasn't really posting about mocking, it's on resale, where they really take the hit. Most dealerships only offer a salvage trade-in offer so they don't have to deal with it.

 

Kinda like buying a FWD/RWD Jeep, it's a Jeep, kinda. 

[Cpl_Punishment]

19 minutes ago, It's Tim said:

I wasn't really posting about mocking, it's on resale, where they really take the hit. Most dealerships only offer a salvage trade-in offer so they don't have to deal with it.

 

Kinda like buying a FWD/RWD Jeep, it's a Jeep, kinda. 

I guess my point is primarily that a rwd vehicle with most of its weight over the front tires is essentially useless about 6 months of the year where I live. 

[econometrics]

1 hour ago, Cpl_Punishment said:

I guess my point is primarily that a rwd vehicle with most of its weight over the front tires is essentially useless about 6 months of the year where I live. 

It can even be useless here in TX whenever it rains... (at least starting from a stop too quickly) 

[Thomcat]

On 11/25/2019 at 9:46 PM, Doolin-Dalton said:

That's a good price, but I don't know what state you are in, and the weather + your lifestyle.  Depending on the answer, you should stop and pause a while, ask yourself - what about 4x4 (4WD).  Can you live without 4WD?  Does it snow there?  Will you ever desire to go off road?   Some places (Virginia,  North Carolina, Washington, Oregon, Arizona, Utah, New Mexico, ) you just aren't going to get by without 4WD.  People there don't want the truck if it doesn't have it.   Re-sale will be rough.   Other states, like Texas, South Carolina, California, Florida,  Alabama, Mississippi, 2WD drive trucks are much more popular.  Those states, it almost never snows and there just aren't as many "off road" places to go.  So a 2WD truck is just fine. 

 

Earlier this year, I was able to get a 2019 Trail Boss, 4WD, Custom Trim, Double Cab, 5.3 V8, Convenience Package, Sirius XM, Off Road Package, Power Tailgate, Remote Start, etc..for $37,500 "OTD."  So the price of the truck was $36,000 including everything (freight, TTL, Dealer Fees) and the sales tax was $1500.  

That is exactly how I calculate it..... to do otherwise is fooling yourself. Sales tax and registration fees is the only portion of the total that the dealer cannot eat. He can absorb the rest buried in dealer holdbacks, GM dealer cash placed on cars that sit, rebates, customer loyalty, finance kickbacks, and monkeying with the trade in allowance.

 

If I was to fake world back calculate my deal of $42000 for a $55600 MSRP and take "real numbers" into account the $42000 sale price was bogus because of how figures are buried in the line items. Eg. I wanted $30000 for my trade,,,,the most any other dealer offered was $28500 or actual KBlueBook (not Black Book).....my dealer wrote the trade for $32000 which he'll never get on his lot, but may be able to talk some sucker into who cannot get a new car loan,  if not lose out on wholesale......there's $900 in sales transfer differential tax buried in the $42K which is reduced because of the overinflated trade.........$50 in tag transfer and titling buried.........$399 in dealer prep buried.......extra $150 for mudguards after deal agreed to was buried........cost for lifetime warranty on drivertrain (any part that oil touches) buried. If I was to add all that crap back using the OP method of calculating my $55600 vehicle had a sales price of $40500 or 27% off MSRP which of course is bogus .........all line items are irrelevant and real percentage discount is nebulous the only thing that matters when buying a car is how much cash is ripped out of your wallet.......that's why I only deal in round bottom line numbers. Dealers profile you and hate my type because I have plenty of time and love to shop for cars.......bought over 3 dozen new ones for myself and family and that's not counting ones where I posed as the crazy uncle for women in the office to prevent dealers from taking advantage of single women (which they do!).  I will test ride a number of cars, switching deals and get prices on each and always deal in round numbers forcing them to absorb some costs. And always bite their a$$ before they bite yours.

[KARNUT]

The only way I sweat the small detail of a few dollars depends on how long you keep it. My wife gets the loaded up pricey model. She keeps her vehicles five to ten years. I use to trade every 2-3 years I buy the biggest discounts with eye towards resale. If I keep my recent ride longer I’ll treat myself to the up model. It still needs to be discounted. But I wouldn’t sweat a few dollars to get what I wanted.

 

 

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