Shake or Vibration Issues

[mjb4450]

I'm sorry, but that statement is just flat wrong. While GM does give huge rebates, which I will agree does lower the trade value in the end, the offers that competitive dealers are offering BECAUSE OF THIS VIBRATION are insanely low. I've even had dealers admit that the Vibration Problem is hurting the value. The premise that that our values would be this low to begin with it utter bull sh*t.

 

You can see my previous posts about the value where I cite what KBB, NADA, Autotrader etc. say they are worth without my accessories vs. what I've been getting offered.

 

I agree. I traded my 2014 Silverado on a Ram eight months ago. I've dealt with this particular Dodge/Ram dealer several times before and always received KBB or a bit higher for my trades. With the SIlverado however, I got several grand below KBB and the truck was in excellent shape as are all my vehicles. While mine only had a minor vibration problem, it had too many other unfixable problems. I happened to be at the dealership yesterday for service and wandered around their lot. I couldn't help but notice lots of late model Silverado's in their used car section. I don't buy the 1-3% fantasy for a second. Back in 2011 Dodge Challengers with the 5.7 auto were having timing chain failures. Their best Forum had a similar thread as this. They had a running total of all the affected Challengers with year, date and mileage of failure. When Chrysler finally identified the source of the problem, a plastic chain guide that cracked due to the added stress of their cylinder deactivation system on the auto trans cars, the thread had about 55 affected cars. Now you might say that's a tiny percentage of all the Challengers produced as some fanboys did. But when you think about the fact that it was 55 cars that were 2009-2012 R/T trim only with the auto trans only from a group of owners who were also members of a specific Forum who actually read that thread and who also decided to post their experience, then you see it's 55 failures from a tiny, tiny number of owners. I did a rough calculation based on the number of 2008-2012 Challenger R/T auto trans produced vs the approximate number of Forum member's who owned 2008-2012 Challenger R/T auto trans and came up with about 15% failures so far at that point. So I suspect there's a similar figure here. Now as to my 2015 Ram. I've had a recall on the left axle housing and I was just in for a power window switch replacement. That's two dealership trips in eight months. More than I wanted but still that is 1/4 of the dealership trips I made in the same time frame when I had my Silverado.

Edited March 20, 2016 by mjb4450

[KLRV6]

What do you think GM would give to the customer who comes up with fixes that reduce or eliminate some of the vibration issues? Rent/Checkout their pico scope and produce significant before and after readings. Those lower vibration readings have a value when they are putting in an expressway for buybacks.

[mjb4450]

What do you think GM would give to the customer who comes up with fixes that reduce or eliminate some of the vibration issues? Rent/Checkout their pico scope and produce significant before and after readings. Those lower vibration readings have a value when they are putting in an expressway for buybacks.

I'll bet they'll give nothing since first they would have to admit there is a problem and second they'd have to admit their engineers couldn't find a fix or that corporate just didn't care to look for a fix.

[KLRV6]

I'll bet they'll give nothing since first they would have to admit there is a problem and second they'd have to admit their engineers couldn't find a fix or that corporate just didn't care to look for a fix.

It would be even worse if some type of appreciation wasn't given to someone who reduces their claims and allows for the increase of customer satisfaction. What if someone is so mad at them for how things are handled and sits on fix that would reduce the scope of a recall, just to allow another year or two of production and then bring things to light.

 

I would certainly help GM out if they let me swap keys for any Silverado model? A two year upgrade for free.

[C6Bill]

"As mentioned dozens of times already, those of us with vibe problems (including myself) account for maybe 1 to 3 % of the 2014+ trucks out there. "

 

 

The only one who keeps mentioning that is YOU.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited March 21, 2016 by C6Bill

[steelcity]

I've got a novel idea, Howz about all you jagoffs that traded your GM product for a Jap or Mopar truck go troll somewhere else. There must be multiple web sites where you can beat your chest and spout your rhetoric about how bad the GM trucks are and how good the Jap and or Mopar and of Ford trucks are. Quit trolling! I had two 2015's and now a 2016 and they all were, and still are, fantastic!

Edited March 21, 2016 by steelcity

[C6Bill]

I paid the cover charge so I'm staying.

[tnchevy]

"As mentioned dozens of times already, those of us with vibe problems (including myself) account for maybe 1 to 3 % of the 2014+ trucks out there. "

 

 

The only one who keeps mentioning that is YOU.

I am not the only one who knows/says it and I am one who has vibration troubles. Sorry it hurts your feelings so much, guess having to go through the trade in process and losing money has left some open wounds. It must just be the trucks in the SE that do not have much vibration trouble because I have not found another person in the over 100 I have asked who has vibration problems besides myself. I have also bought 4 new vehicles in the last 4 years and I have not come across one dealer who is wanting to give blue book for a trade in if you are able to negotiate a low enough price on the new vehicle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[C6Bill]

I have no hurt feelings. You keep stating your feelings as a fact. I am not the only one who disagrees with your findings. And we would all like to know where you have found the statistics you keep putting out as fact. Did I lose money ? Absolutely, but do I care about that ? No I do not, that is why I dumped the Silverado's and moved to a different brand. I also moved on from my Corvette. I don't think GM deserves my business.

[Jesse Davidson]

It would be even worse if some type of appreciation wasn't given to someone who reduces their claims and allows for the increase of customer satisfaction. What if someone is so mad at them for how things are handled and sits on fix that would reduce the scope of a recall, just to allow another year or two of production and then bring things to light.

 

I would certainly help GM out if they let me swap keys for any Silverado model? A two year upgrade for free.

Are you hinting that you found the fix? lol

 

I've got a novel idea, Howz about all you jagoffs that traded your GM product for a Jap or Mopar truck go troll somewhere else. There must be multiple web sites where you can beat your chest and spout your rhetoric about how bad the GM trucks are and how good the Jap and or Mopar and of Ford trucks are. Quit trolling! I had two 2015's and now a 2016 and they all were, and still are, fantastic!

Thats very uncalled for, these "Trolls" started with GM, they are not fan boys of the other brands. They suffered and have every right to be here, the real Trolls are the ones who come in never having had GM or the problems.

 

I paid the cover charge so I'm staying.

I got your back Bill

[wuznme]

I'm new to this forum...on many others though.

 

Got this in response to a question I asked my dealer and it came from the Product Mgr for the Silverado/Sierra @ GM:

 

 

Since we launched this current generation of PU in 14MY we have had a mix of AL or cast iron front control arms. It is based on the total mass of the truck and has varied as to which models have received AL based on the need to control mass to keep trucks in specific test weight groups. The 16MY started this same way, but is changing very soon (in the next month or so) to 100% stamped steel control arms. The mass will be between the AL and cast iron versions. Please note a key driver for this change is an improvement in reducing the truck’s sensitivity to vibration inputs from wheels/tires.

FYI.... have a 2016 Sierra All Terrain 6.2L - with steel control arms, have had no vibrations pre/post level. Truck was lowered in the rear to level with shackles and removing the blocks.

[mjb4450]

I've got a novel idea, Howz about all you jagoffs that traded your GM product for a Jap or Mopar truck go troll somewhere else. There must be multiple web sites where you can beat your chest and spout your rhetoric about how bad the GM trucks are and how good the Jap and or Mopar and of Ford trucks are. Quit trolling! I had two 2015's and now a 2016 and they all were, and still are, fantastic!

Sorry, I'm not going anywhere. This soap opera has become too addicting. Will Mr Smith be told it's functioning as designed? Will they change yet more tires leading to the question is it insanity to do the same thing over and over expecting different results? Will Marsha marry Biff? Stay tuned to the next episode of "As The GM Vibrates". BTW, what is your job title at GM?

Edited March 21, 2016 by mjb4450

[oneandzero]

"As mentioned dozens of times already, those of us with vibe problems (including myself) account for maybe 1 to 3 % of the 2014+ trucks out there. "

 

Hmmm was just thinking 1-3% of the 1.9 million trucks is like 19000-57000.

Edited March 21, 2016 by oneandzero

[Jesse Davidson]

 

I'm new to this forum...on many others though.

 

Got this in response to a question I asked my dealer and it came from the Product Mgr for the Silverado/Sierra @ GM:

 

 

Since we launched this current generation of PU in 14MY we have had a mix of AL or cast iron front control arms. It is based on the total mass of the truck and has varied as to which models have received AL based on the need to control mass to keep trucks in specific test weight groups. The 16MY started this same way, but is changing very soon (in the next month or so) to 100% stamped steel control arms. The mass will be between the AL and cast iron versions. Please note a key driver for this change is an improvement in reducing the truck’s sensitivity to vibration inputs from wheels/tires.

FYI.... have a 2016 Sierra All Terrain 6.2L - with steel control arms, have had no vibrations pre/post level. Truck was lowered in the rear to level with shackles and removing the blocks.

 

Is there a way to specifically get one with the stamped steel that you are aware of?

[14silverado4.3]

You can check them with a magnet correct?