Transmission Fluid Change

[Hexa Fox]

1 minute ago, txab said:

Agreed. I would leave it off since you will have fresh fill of synthetic fluid.

Good job on removing seal. See it wasn't that bad......

Okay well I guess I will send them both back and get part of my $20.00 back. I have two gallons of Dexron VI so far.

 

So the thing about the seal is I was trying to be gentle with it. I tried so many different things and today I got fed up with it and just rammed that pick up in there and it literally took around thirty seconds before I had it out. 

 

It was kind of the same thing with the shift linkage bracket as well. I got fed up and did not want to take the drive shaft or exhaust off just because of it. So I forced it over with a C-clamp. Also I cannot take credit for it either as I found it online. I really did not think the C-clamp method was going to work for me but it did. Also I think I permanently bent the bracket a little bit in doing so. Thinking about buying a pair of these and attempting to move the bracket back over after I get the pan back on.

 

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[carkhz316]

Glad you got it OP. The small nick in the pump from the pick isn't going to do anything adverse. It's not really on any portion of the main sealing surface. As to the snake oil.......while I, too, shy away from using those, the Lucas Oil and another product called Lubguard, are the only ones I would ever condone using. Not much better than the others, but not terrible either.

[Hexa Fox]

1 hour ago, carkhz316 said:

Glad you got it OP. The small nick in the pump from the pick isn't going to do anything adverse. It's not really on any portion of the main sealing surface. As to the snake oil.......while I, too, shy away from using those, the Lucas Oil and another product called Lubguard, are the only ones I would ever condone using. Not much better than the others, but not terrible either.

So if it were your truck would you put one or both of those "oil conditioners" in carkhz316?

[Grumpy Bear]

Leave the snake oil to the snakes. The trans has no use for it. 

[Colossus]

I believe in additives from BG, Justice Brothers, and some of the Lucas stuff.  Also the Chevron Techron.  there are some out there that are NOT snake oil. 

[Hexa Fox]

4 hours ago, txab said:

Agreed. I would leave it off since you will have fresh fill of synthetic fluid.

Good job on removing seal. See it wasn't that bad......

 

Did you ever mention if you had any large amount of material in the pan upon removal? Did you take a shot of it?

I did not see this until just now. So yes there was a large amount of crud in the pan. There was some gray thick stuff around the magnet. However, when I was trying to get it off all kinds of stuff did accidentally go into the pan. So by the time I actually got it off it was difficult to determine what was already there from what had dropped into the pan.

[Black02Silverado]

5 hours ago, Hexa Fox said:

I did not see this until just now. So yes there was a large amount of crud in the pan. There was some gray thick stuff around the magnet. However, when I was trying to get it off all kinds of stuff did accidentally go into the pan. So by the time I actually got it off it was difficult to determine what was already there from what had dropped into the pan.

Crud to a point is normal for that many miles so to speak.  It is the larger pieces of stuff and even metal that you can see is a problem.  I think you will be fine.

[KARNUT]

In my younger days I would pull a cooling line drain and replace. Pulling vehicles more often than the drivers. Now I let the pros do it. Never flush never the filter. The only time I ever pulled the pan was for adding shift kits back in the day. I’ve been driving since 1973. Had more vehicles than I care to admit. Have a lead foot. Never a problem. By reading this seems you could create a problem by fooling with it.


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[carkhz316]

9 hours ago, Hexa Fox said:

So if it were your truck would you put one or both of those "oil conditioners" in carkhz316?

Most of the additives are geared towards helping along a ailing transmission. So, if yours was working just fine, I wouldn't add them at this time. For myself, I did 100k mile service on my truck and my previous car in the last couple years, and I simply replaced the filter and fluid, and that was all since they were working perfectly fine.

[Grumpy Bear]

9 hours ago, Colossus said:

I believe in additives from BG, Justice Brothers, and some of the Lucas stuff.  Also the Chevron Techron.  there are some out there that are NOT snake oil. 

Actually a fair point. Techron is a fuel detergent. In fact, what is in Chevron gasoline just more concentrated. Added to less than Tier One fuels to bring to Tier One equivalency. In other words an additive that brings a sub par product to a 'standard' level.

 

Snake oil is a product meant to empty the wallet while bringing nothing to the game, good or bad. Sold on fear, with fear for those in fear. In this case the assumption is that the engineers that formulated the transmission fluid forgot the friction modifiers. That is the illusion given on the bottles back panel, is it not? 

[Colossus]

Well... something like that? 

[Hexa Fox]

18 hours ago, KARNUT said:

In my younger days I would pull a cooling line drain and replace. Pulling vehicles more often than the drivers. Now I let the pros do it. Never flush never the filter. The only time I ever pulled the pan was for adding shift kits back in the day. I’ve been driving since 1973. Had more vehicles than I care to admit. Have a lead foot. Never a problem. By reading this seems you could create a problem by fooling with it.


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Respectfully, this is an issue in the modern world. You may have a mechanic you are friends with that you know will take care of your vehicle. However, I personally do not. I do not want to totally bash mechanics because there are still awesome ones out there that treat your vehicle as they would their own. In my opinion they are few and far between nowadays. 

 

If I went to ten mechanics and requested to have my transmission fluid and filter changed on my truck that seven or eight of them would not do what I asked. For instance, about half of them would probably not even drop the pan. Regardless of whether or not it should be done or not is beyond the point. If you ask them to do it and they quote you it should be done. 

 

Also you are seeing more and more mechanics that are doing shady work just to stay in the game. Take for example the guy across the street is doing work for half your cost. Many mechanics cut costs by cutting corners on labor and parts just to survive. Because your everyday Joe or Jane that knows little about cars is always going to take his or her vehicle to the guy with lower price.

 

Just saying. 

[KARNUT]

Respectfully, this is an issue in the modern world. You may have a mechanic you are friends with that you know will take care of your vehicle. However, I personally do not. I do not want to totally bash mechanics because there are still awesome ones out there that treat your vehicle as they would their own. In my opinion they are few and far between nowadays. 

 

If I went to ten mechanics and requested to have my transmission fluid and filter changed on my truck that seven or eight of them would not do what I asked. For instance, about half of them would probably not even drop the pan. Regardless of whether or not it should be done or not is beyond the point. If you ask them to do it and they quote you it should be done. 

 

Also you are seeing more and more mechanics that are doing shady work just to stay in the game. Take for example the guy across the street is doing work for half your cost. Many mechanics cut costs by cutting corners on labor and parts just to survive. Because your everyday Joe or Jane that knows little about cars is always going to take his or her vehicle to the guy with lower price.

 

Just saying. 

In the internet age it’s a lot easier to find a qualified service provider of any kind. If anything people are more inform than ever. As far as the guy working out his garage. It’s the cheapest way for talent to get started. We started our business in my yard. Thirty years later we work out of 2 10,000 sq ft buildings on ten acres. Our mechanics repair land clearing eq up to 1000HP. We love people to come in and tell us how we should repair their equipment. Our reputation is such it doesn’t happen too much anymore. We are cheaper than anyone else in our field because we are independent not franchised.

 

 

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[Hexa Fox]

5 hours ago, KARNUT said:

In the internet age it’s a lot easier to find a qualified service provider of any kind. If anything people are more inform than ever. As far as the guy working out his garage. It’s the cheapest way for talent to get started. We started our business in my yard. Thirty years later we work out of 2 10,000 sq ft buildings on ten acres. Our mechanics repair land clearing eq up to 1000HP. We love people to come in and tell us how we should repair their equipment. Our reputation is such it doesn’t happen too much anymore. We are cheaper than anyone else in our field because we are independent not franchised.

 

 

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Yeah the digital world has changed a lot. Including the ability for people to be able to do things themselves. However, you are only an entire days drive away from me. I have had bad experiences with mechanics on more than one occasion. In one case there was several thousand dollars worth of damages done to my truck. A panel or something shorted out while a "mechanic" was working on the electrical system. It destroyed two of my air bag sensors and they told me it was already like that when I brought it in. Anyway I took it over to the local Chevrolet dealer (that happened to be friends with the "mechanic") and they backed him up. They said that the wiring he (aftermarket job) did could not have caused the air bag sensors to fail. It was just a coincidence that they happened to fail a the same time. 

 

This is an honest, 100% true story, and as you can imagine I was quite upset. As soon as I mentioned the word "lawyer" the Chevrolet dealer offered to repair my truck at no cost. This was after hanging up the phone on me several times. It was like eight hundred dollars a sensor or something and was at least a two-thousand dollar job. I was quite  uncomfortable allowing this particular dealer to do the work in the first place in fear of what they would do or not do to my truck. It was a literal nightmare and one of the worth experiences I have ever dealt with in my entire life for sure. Unfortunately, this is not the only negative experience I have had dealing with mechanics and people who work on vehicles. 

 

Plus not to shoot your opinion down or anything but sometimes reviews are the worst thing you can go by. Let me be clear, I am not saying reviews are always fake. However, people know that reviews online are a huge part of keeping their business successful. It is easily possible to fabricate reviews and stop negative reviews from ever becoming published. This type of thing is huge for Google, Amazon, and many other popular engines. I have seen it with my own eyes in many cases, it both surprises me and makes me furious at the same time. Have you ever written a negative review somewhere and went back to never be able to locate it? Then wondered why you received bad service at a place that has all positive five star reviews? 

 

The most common thing I see is that reviews require "moderator approval" and they just never approve the negative ones or ones under three stars or whatever. Unfortunately, I see it a lot in the digital world and they have excuses like "the review was inappropriate". Then I start thinking why this company has a multitude of reviews and not a single negative one, it is because all the negative reviewers were "inappropriate" right?

 

 

[Hexa Fox]

Anyway back on topic, the truck is up and running again. I put a whole gallon and a little bit of the second one in and pumped some more out until I mostly saw red running out. I kept checking the dip stick and it said it was within operating level. So I backed it up a little, drive it forward a little, and checked again. Then it was not reading so I put the entire second gallon in. Then I decided to put the Lucas Conditioner in as well. I drove it around our development which is almost exactly a two mile drive all together. 

 

While I was driving it either the second or third gear makes a really, really rough transition. I would like to say I know what a slip feels like and this was definitely more of a big bang and stall than a "slip". So when I got it back home I checked the oil level again and the stick is dry. So I just bought another gallon and waiting for it to get here. I really hope that there is no damage. I put nine quarts in it all together and might have pumped two or three out max when I was trying to get the old oil out. 

 

Is it normal for the transmission to slip that hard if it is low on oil? I am hoping added the additional oil will resolve my issue.