Shake or Vibration Issues

[oneandzero]

Question about TIRES.... several pages back, someone mentioned they put new Michelin tires on their truck and seemed the vibration issues are gone. Couple questions for you....

 

1. Which exact model and size of Michelin tire?

2. Which vibration issue(s) were you having?

 

I've been reading some reviews on Michelins's Premier LTX SUV/Truck tire and one of the common comments is how quite and smooth the tires are. Makes me wonder if these might be helpful for some of the noise and vibration issues we're all having. Maybe not the shaking in the rear end of the pickups, but some of the other vibration and harshness. I realize it would be kinda sucky if one one particular tire was needed to get a decent ride, but there is no questions tires will make or break a vehicle and so far, the endless parade of Bridgestones, Continentals and Goodyears hasn't done the trick.

That was me and sorry it's a poor example because they are snow tires. Michelin X-Ice 17s and they are 1000 times better than the Firestones, they were out of GM spec. My stock tires are Bridgestone 22s and yes they thump first thing due to flat spots. I'm told its the nature of 22" tires due to way they are made dunno if its BS or not.

 

You have to go back and read all my update posts to get the whole story but I'll abbreviate.

Bought truck it was great

5000 kms slight vibration steering wheel 125 kph

90000 kms vibration worse. installed snow tires dealer put new rear end, now bad vibration 65kph and up. RF tires over and over and over, new drive shaft then another rear end, then shake at 65kph gone. Just shake at 120kph... new Michelins installed which fixed that. Then weather warmed up meaning snow melted and able to drive faster.

Now intermittent vib in steering wheel around 80kph and 123kph with drone sound which is believed to be caused by ECM or something. Im currently driving a V4 it seems. Going into service this week dealer agrees something is wrong. I think really the Mechanics miss my truck.. they haven't seen it in couple weeks.

Edited February 9, 2016 by oneandzero

[pm26]

That was me and sorry it's a poor example because they are snow tires. Michelin X-Ice 17s and they are 1000 times better than the Firestones, they were out of GM spec. My stock tires are Bridgestone 22s and yes they thump first thing due to flat spots. I'm told its the nature of 22" tires due to way they are made dunno if its BS or not.

 

You have to go back and read all my update posts to get the whole story but I'll abbreviate.

Bought truck it was great

5000 kms slight vibration steering wheel 125 kph

90000 kms vibration worse. installed snow tires dealer put new rear end, now bad vibration 65kph and up. RF tires over and over and over, new drive shaft then another rear end, then shake at 65kph gone. Just shake at 120kph... new Michelins installed which fixed that. Then weather warmed up meaning snow melted and able to drive faster.

Now intermittent vib in steering wheel around 80kph and 123kph with drone sound which is believed to be caused by ECM or something. Im currently driving a V4 it seems. Going into service this week dealer agrees something is wrong. I think really the Mechanics miss my truck.. they haven't seen it in couple weeks.

Let's rephrase this statement a little. "It is the nature of CHEAP 22" tires due to way they are made." Which is as cheap as possible. And GM likes to buy them as cheap as possible.

Edited February 9, 2016 by pm26

[oneandzero]

Let's rephrase this statement a little. "It is the nature of CHEAP 22" tires due to way they are made." Which is as cheap as possible. And GM likes to buy them as cheap as possible.

I was told by a GM mechanic because of the narrow side wall on a 22" the cords or what ever, are layered a different way than say a 18" tire. This is what causes the flat spots that at least the Bridgestone Duelers suffer from for the first 20kms or so of driving and worse in colder temps. I asked if it was a Bridgestone thing and he said all are the same, there's no other way to make a 22" tire. Again I don't know if he was BSing me but I have to say I haven't seen flat spotted tires since the Bias Ply's on an old Fire Rescue truck that sat at the station for weeks at time. My truck sat for a week in November and the vibration from the flat spots was probably bad enough the throw a water bottle out of a console. After 20 or so kms it was gone. It was after that I decided it was time to start looking into vibration problems. At that time everything I knew about vibration was due to tires, tires, and tires. Then I found this forum.

But I will add I was also told, a few years ago the only time they road forced balanced tires was when a tire was out of round or defective, conventional balancing was all that was needed. Now it seems every tire needs to be RF balanced, which kinda points to quality issues or cheap as you say.

[shockedimpy]

Anyone have a vibration once they hit 65mph through the gas pedal? Almost feels like a motorized vibration. Like its happening during a revolution time and time again. Like every half a second you can feel it through gas pedal and sort of here it through the cabin.

[Wrench589]

Not sure about the flatspotting. Sure, I can understand the concept. And I'm sure tires do it to some degree. But why are these vehicles the only ones that seemed to be bother by it out of the hundreds of other vehicles, GM included? Heck, my 2011 F350 with 20" Michelins sits for weeks at a time, outside, summer or winter, and. Jump in and there is ZERO vibration. First km. Last km. And all the kms in between. So I think the flatspotting is a smoke screen for the real issue, whatever it is.

 

OK , I could see this being an issue if we were talking about a Bugatti Veyron, or a Formula 1 car...can't let it sit around on the tires. But it's a fricken' pickup truck. Like. Said, every other passenger vehicle on e planet isn't so delicate and sensitive to minor flatspots...why is this vehicle platform??

[Wrench589]

That was me and sorry it's a poor example because they are snow tires. Michelin X-Ice 17s and they are 1000 times better than the Firestones, they were out of GM spec. My stock tires are Bridgestone 22s and yes they thump first thing due to flat spots. I'm told its the nature of 22" tires due to way they are made dunno if its BS or not.

 

You have to go back and read all my update posts to get the whole story but I'll abbreviate.

Bought truck it was great

5000 kms slight vibration steering wheel 125 kph

90000 kms vibration worse. installed snow tires dealer put new rear end, now bad vibration 65kph and up. RF tires over and over and over, new drive shaft then another rear end, then shake at 65kph gone. Just shake at 120kph... new Michelins installed which fixed that. Then weather warmed up meaning snow melted and able to drive faster.

Now intermittent vib in steering wheel around 80kph and 123kph with drone sound which is believed to be caused by ECM or something. Im currently driving a V4 it seems. Going into service this week dealer agrees something is wrong. I think really the Mechanics miss my truck.. they haven't seen it in couple weeks.

Actually, not such a poor example at all. I put 20" Bridgestone Blizzak winters on mine (from 22" Bridgestone Duelers) and it is remarkably better. The ride is much, much quieter and supple. Most of the road noise and harshness is gone. And the buffeting is all but gone. Made a big difference. Didn't solve it, but certainly made a difference.

 

Since when did winter tires make a vehicle ride smoother and quieter! LOL!!

[Silverado 6.2]

Actually, not such a poor example at all. I put 20" Bridgestone Blizzak winters on mine (from 22" Bridgestone Duelers) and it is remarkably better. The ride is much, much quieter and supple. Most of the road noise and harshness is gone. And the buffeting is all but gone. Made a big difference. Didn't solve it, but certainly made a difference.

 

Since when did winter tires make a vehicle ride smoother and quieter! LOL!!

Most winter tires are made of a softer compound which would smoothen the ride.

[oneandzero]

Not sure about the flatspotting. Sure, I can understand the concept. And I'm sure tires do it to some degree. But why are these vehicles the only ones that seemed to be bother by it out of the hundreds of other vehicles, GM included? Heck, my 2011 F350 with 20" Michelins sits for weeks at a time, outside, summer or winter, and. Jump in and there is ZERO vibration. First km. Last km. And all the kms in between. So I think the flatspotting is a smoke screen for the real issue, whatever it is.

 

OK , I could see this being an issue if we were talking about a Bugatti Veyron, or a Formula 1 car...can't let it sit around on the tires. But it's a fricken' pickup truck. Like. Said, every other passenger vehicle on e planet isn't so delicate and sensitive to minor flatspots...why is this vehicle platform??

I think this speaks to the super sensitivity of our trucks due to the stiff frames. You drive over a pebble and you feel it.

[Wrench589]

Most winter tires are made of a softer compound which would smoothen the ride.

Exactly what I was thinking!

 

I think this speaks to the super sensitivity of our trucks due to the stiff frames. You drive over a pebble and you feel it.

Totally agree.

[pm26]

I think this speaks to the super sensitivity of our trucks due to the stiff frames. You drive over a pebble and you feel it.

I guess trying to turn a pickup truck into a sports car has not been a total success.

[hotrodz37]

 

fix 1 = bought a dodge

fix 2 = bought a toyota

fix 3 = bought a Ford

 

Personally, I had great success with a stupid $18 clamp. My truck is vibration free.

If you go back to around page 550 and read forward you can find all this info.

 

Frenchsquared,

 

I can't remember at this moment, I know you have the clamps behind the u-bolts about 8" you said. Have you tried them in front like some others? Just curious if you had what were your results? I had mine 5" in front of the block and didn't like it all that much around town, might try the rear, but wanted to hear the difference if you had done both. Thanks!

[frenchsquared]

 

Frenchsquared,

 

I can't remember at this moment, I know you have the clamps behind the u-bolts about 8" you said. Have you tried them in front like some others? Just curious if you had what were your results? I had mine 5" in front of the block and didn't like it all that much around town, might try the rear, but wanted to hear the difference if you had done both. Thanks!

 

I have not tried the front. Mine is softer around town with them.

I wonder if the shorter wheel base of the Regular Cab has an impact.

[hotrodz37]

 

I have not tried the front. Mine is softer around town with them.

I wonder if the shorter wheel base of the Regular Cab has an impact.

 

Not too sure, I have a crew cab short bed. I torqued my u-bolts to 110 ft/lbs before I installed the clamps as well which might describe why mine didn't ride as well with the clamps, and I also have Bilstein 5100's in the rear so I am not exactly comparing apples to apples. I took the clamps off and its quite a bit smoother, might try the rear at some point.

Edited February 9, 2016 by hotrodz37

[temmert1]

_{Traded my 14 for a 16 this past Saturday. Within 5 miles after leaving the dealership my wife looked at me and stated "why is it shaking" I said I don't know. Put 100 mile on it between Saturday and Sunday. Could definitely feel it at speeds around 75 mph. Called dealer first thing Monday and took it in at 2:00. They did the normal RFB and stated to try it. same thing and right back to dealership. My salesman and I took 2 others for a ride and neither was completely smooth. After reading all these posts yesterday I went straight to Advance and bought clamps and put them on. Hopefully tonight I will test this fix.}

_{My fault as I didn't drive the vehicle before purchase. Honestly, brand new didn't think is was necessary. No doubt I would not have purchased it.}

_{So now Im at the mercy of the clamps or see if a fix is ever found. How disappointing.}

Edited February 9, 2016 by Trey's Silvy

[frenchsquared]

 

Not too sure, I have a crew cab short bed. I torqued my u-bolts to 110 ft/lbs before I installed the clamps as well which might describe why mine didn't ride as well with the clamps, and I also have Bilstein 5100's in the rear so I am not exactly comparing apples to apples. I took the clamps off and its quite a bit smoother, might try the rear at some point.

 

Im lifted so my u-blots were crushed on as tight as possible.