2014+ Engine & Transmission Tuning

[Mike@Diablosport]

i know this is old but its sad to me you lie to the members here to sell your garbage can tunes. Any changes made to the ecm calibration can be seen on these trucks. the dealer can see anytime the computer is flashed.

Thanks for your comments.

May I ask, for the benefit of the other members, how many years of experience you have reverse engineering the GM PCMs? I mean, have you ever written a drop of code to perform a read/write process, or investyigated the actual capabilities of the internal workings of the PCM, beyind what you have heard as 3rd party info on the intrawebz?

Do you have over 25 years of experience literally writing code, for GM, as a highly trained EE?

I only ask, because we do. We are. We can.

 

If you wish to call me a liar, come with some proof sir. You can spend months flashing every PCM we support, and can pay anyone you want to dig, and they will not find any trace left behind from our tools.

I am not here to lie, I am here to answer questions, truthfully, to the best of my ability, and that ability includes the factual knowledge about what truly happens inside the PCM when we go in there and flash it. Unfortunately, I'm afraid, you, and most others who call me out on my facts, do not have the first clue as to whats really going on in there, and thats OK, its not your job to know

 

Thanks

[12amrdr]

You can't get around the flash counter tough guy doesn't matter how many years you have written code. Sad thing is you claim all this highly engineered effort into cheating the system yet your tunes are canned junk. PCMs are different used in 99-07 trucks you could flash back to stock and Get away with it. the new ones run on bcm Tcm and ecm. Your garbage product leaves a foot print just like everything else that flashes the computer.

 

The proof is all over the interwebs but I've actually built many vehicles and worked with many GM techs. Seems like your a little out dated on what you think you know.

 

Why is it that any one who is fast isn't using Diablo? Why is it that HPT tuners and EFI live are still the tool to use if you have all this vast experience in writing code. You guys can barely tune a cammed truck never the less anything making boost. Why is that oh mighty master of code writing.

 

Bottom line here is you're a sales man for a product that uninformed idiots buy. The market is huge to people who watch power block Sunday and think TB spacers and Flowmasters are performance mods.

 

If you're so sure you go undetected, which is a huge selling point, why wont you prove it or guarantee a buyer his warranty? Answer is you cant and won't.

Prove it Mike prove to all of us your ability since you listed your resume like it would impress me. Go get a new DI truck go flash the computer with your canned tune then return it to stock take it in the shop and have then pull the file and prove me wrong. You spend all that time engineering your product and make a outlandish claim, prove it.

Edited November 14, 2014 by 12amrdr

[KARNUT]

You can't get around the flash counter tough guy doesn't matter how many years you have written code. Sad thing is you claim all this highly engineered effort into cheating the system yet your tunes are canned junk. PCMs are different used in 99-07 trucks you could flash back to stock and Get away with it. the new ones run on bcm Tcm and ecm. Your garbage product leaves a foot print just like everything else that flashes the computer.

 

The proof is all over the interwebs but I've actually built many vehicles and worked with many GM techs. Seems like your a little out dated on what you think you know.

 

Why is it that any one who is fast isn't using Diablo? Why is it that HPT tuners and EFI live are still the tool to use if you have all this vast experience in writing code. You guys can barely tune a cammed truck never the less anything making boost. Why is that oh mighty master of code writing.

 

Bottom line here is you're a sales man for a product that uninformed idiots buy. The market is huge to people who watch power block Sunday and think TB spacers and Flowmasters are performance mods.

 

If you're so sure you go undetected, which is a huge selling point, why wont you prove it or guarantee a buyer his warranty? Answer is you cant and won't.

Prove it Mike prove to all of us your ability since you listed your resume like it would impress me. Go get a new DI truck go flash the computer with your canned tune then return it to stock take it in the shop and have then pull the file and prove me wrong. You spend all that time engineering your product and make a outlandish claim, prove it.

You may be making good points with you d... swinging contest, but you lose credit when you call all people who use caned tunes idiots. I have custom on my 383 blown small block, and I have use hand helds on stock trucks for raising MPH shut off, tire size and on my 14 GMC for turning off the V4 . Mike makes a statement on a public forum that could be use if someone get a warranty turn down using his product. I think that's pretty bold, they may be on to something I don't claim to know. I last used their product on my Trail blazer SS and was impressed, same with the Hypertech Im using on my 14.

[Mike@Diablosport]

You can't get around the flash counter tough guy doesn't matter how many years you have written code. Sad thing is you claim all this highly engineered effort into cheating the system yet your tunes are canned junk. PCMs are different used in 99-07 trucks you could flash back to stock and Get away with it. the new ones run on bcm Tcm and ecm. Your garbage product leaves a foot print just like everything else that flashes the computer.

 

The proof is all over the interwebs but I've actually built many vehicles and worked with many GM techs. Seems like your a little out dated on what you think you know.

 

Why is it that any one who is fast isn't using Diablo? Why is it that HPT tuners and EFI live are still the tool to use if you have all this vast experience in writing code. You guys can barely tune a cammed truck never the less anything making boost. Why is that oh mighty master of code writing.

 

Bottom line here is you're a sales man for a product that uninformed idiots buy. The market is huge to people who watch power block Sunday and think TB spacers and Flowmasters are performance mods.

 

If you're so sure you go undetected, which is a huge selling point, why wont you prove it or guarantee a buyer his warranty? Answer is you cant and won't.

Prove it Mike prove to all of us your ability since you listed your resume like it would impress me. Go get a new DI truck go flash the computer with your canned tune then return it to stock take it in the shop and have then pull the file and prove me wrong. You spend all that time engineering your product and make a outlandish claim, prove it.

You can be mad all you want, it doesn't make you right by any means ;)

 

There is no flash counter. Its a CVN list. I know all about it, and I have no desire to explain it to you.

#rd parties have tested and verified that it is not detectable by the means GM uses to detect tunes. No customer of ours has EVER had a warranty issue due to using one of our tuners.

 

And, since you dont think we can tune a cammed truck, hes a few more radical examples of what our software, in combination with one of our awesome handheld tuners, can do:

 

7 second Mustang, CMR tuned:

 

 

You like BIG cammed LS stuff?

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10201393221285840&set=vb.375867285880757&type=3&theater

Thats on an email CMR tune for the 160# injectors he had in there at the time. 750+ rwhp there.

 

8 second, CMR tuned, Dodge Charger:

 

 

So, yeah, we are not only warranty safe, but can support any level of modification you choose.

 

As for your challenge, well, we own a 14 Sierra. Its been to the dealer for several oil changes, and a warranty issue with a bad coil, no problems there. So you are aware, the CVN method of tune checking has been in place well before the E92 based DI trucks, theres nothing new or different about how they do it on the new stuff vs. E38, etc.

 

Also, since you seem to know all about me, I am not a sales person. I don't get paid any differently if you buy our product or not. What I am paid to do, is to make sure our customers get answers to their questions, and if the question is will the dealer be able to see the tune, the answer is no. And until you drag a GM engineer or someone intimately familiar with the CVN system into this conversation, I am the only one here who can truly answer the question. If you do find that person, i will gladly explain to them what we do, and they'll kindly tell you, that you were very wrong about it not being possible.

 

Have a great weekend man!

[12amrdr]

Prove me wrong then have them pull the cvn do screen shots that prove youre undetectable. They won't pull them to change your oil. Prove it with screen shots. Prove no flash was detected. You can't. You can ramble all you want and guarantee your pos but you wont stand behind it. These trucks are new, when one of your canned tuned causes catastrophic failure like tranny or motor you wont stand behind that customer that gets told "the tune caused the damage here we see you have changed the operating perameters" from the stealership. When they send it up to gm for major warranty work they can see you changed how the engine operates. Prove me wrong mike be my guest. I will gladly eat crow and then praise your product on the forums.

Edited November 14, 2014 by 12amrdr

[12amrdr]

You may be making good points with you d... swinging contest, but you lose credit when you call all people who use caned tunes idiots. I have custom on my 383 blown small block, and I have use hand helds on stock trucks for raising MPH shut off, tire size and on my 14 GMC for turning off the V4 . Mike makes a statement on a public forum that could be use if someone get a warranty turn down using his product. I think that's pretty bold, they may be on to something I don't claim to know. I last used their product on my Trail blazer SS and was impressed, same with the Hypertech Im using on my 14.

Lost interest at hypertech....

[KARNUT]

Lost interest at hypertech....

I can tell you are a real genius, Mike and his crew have a lot to lose if their wrong. Im sure you and your crew who ever they are have much more time in tuning than Diablosport, Hypertech, etc. I know that if I were to have a problem I would rather have them to call than somebody in a lean to claiming to be the worlds best tuner. Don't bother with a reply Im not going to waste any more time on you.

Edited November 14, 2014 by KARNUT

[Isriam]

Prove me wrong then have them pull the cvn do screen shots that prove youre undetectable. They won't pull them to change your oil. Prove it with screen shots. Prove no flash was detected. You can't. You can ramble all you want and guarantee your pos but you wont stand behind it. These trucks are new, when one of your canned tuned causes catastrophic failure like tranny or motor you wont stand behind that customer that gets told "the tune caused the damage here we see you have changed the operating perameters" from the stealership. When they send it up to gm for major warranty work they can see you changed how the engine operates. Prove me wrong mike be my guest. I will gladly eat crow and then praise your product on the forums.

 

honestly neither of you are gonna get anywhere. mike isn't going to post how/why he does it because thats his product. and you can't prove that GM can view his flash either, outside of knowing what CVN is and how its calculated.

 

I believe that CVN calculations can be viewed if your tune flashes the ecm/tcm but i'm more curious to know if the CVN counter can be saved and restored to original, or if reverting TCM/ECM can revert the CVN to the stock number. there are ALWAYS ways around this stuff. Cell phones keep a flash counter so they can reject warranty based on users flashing custom roms, but you can now reset that to 0 with simple software.

[cbprov]

 

What settings do you have yours on?

I have it on the premium fuel performance tune ,and firmed up tranny shifts 75%,my truck has 33 12.5 20s ,chanced speedo for tire size ,I honestly feel more power and have seen a 2mpg fuel saving ,this is no bs ,I have never had a custom tune so all I can do is rate this canned tune thanks hope this helps

[ToesonTheNose]

Does Diablo offer military discounts . That's the real question as I've narrowed it down to black bear or diablew

[Chris]

Does Diablo offer military discounts . That's the real question as I've narrowed it down to black bear or diablew

Black Bear does. And unlike Diablo, whether it is Mike on here or even Lew, Black Bear follows the site rules. They pay to be here and advertise their product. As for what happens to these guys from diablo... well that is up to the admin.

[KARNUT]

I think anyone should be able to defend their product, advertise or not. Mike didn't draw first blood.

[pkpouttu]

Can you run the Diablo intune on 93 octane and use a combo of E85 and 93? I ask because I usually get E85 when I'm close to home and 93 when I'm places that I cannot get E85.

[TJay74]

I agree, I have worked with Mike in the past. he is a very stand up guy and is very knowledgeable. And as said, he didn't come into the thread promoting his product, he is merely defending it as any business owner would.

 

I do agree with the point made though, what "IF" just what if someone does have a DS tune and then has a failure and is denied warranty coverage. Is DS going to stand behind the product and the customer if GM refuses repair for just having a DS tune in the vehicle? I never asked that years ago as once you flashed back to stock GM didn't know you were tuned.

 

I am OK with Diablo pitching the tune cant be detected, as said it is only a matter of time before tuning software companies reverse engineer the code and find ways around the flash detection stuff in the computers. DS may be ahead of everyone else, I know from dealing with HPT they have never said they can or cant be detected, they just say it is the price and chance you take to tune your computers.

Edited November 20, 2014 by TJay74

[Isriam]

i just dont see many catastrophic engine failures, and the chance is so slim, i'm sure i could social engineer GM into believing when the engine died it fried the ecu and gave it a wrong CVN code calculation. I do software development, and while it doesn't lie, there are many bugs and sometimes things just don't work right. It isn't as easy as flashed yes or no.

 

I would be interested in learning more about it though, sounds like chris white knows pretty well, but he seems to be a busy man.